Evangelist aligned class with prestige classes


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Can an evangelist choose a prestige class as their aligned class?

Aligned Class wrote:
At 2nd level, the evangelist must choose a class she belonged to before adding the prestige class to be her aligned class. She gains all the class features for this class, essentially adding every evangelist level beyond 1st to her aligned class to determine what class features she gains. She still retains the Hit Dice, base attack bonus, saving throw bonuses, and skill ranks of the prestige class, but gains all other class features of her aligned class as well as those of the evangelist prestige class.

I ask this because, in combination with the SLA-as-prerequisite, a mystic theurge character can go all the way to level 20 and not lose more than 2 levels from their main class.

Of course, they will basically eat a dead level in both due to Aligned Class not kicking in until 2nd level of evangelist, meaning that it will take even longer for the mystic theurge to get off the ground. But the end result could well be worth it (such as an aasimar Empyreal Sorcerer/Ecclesitheurge Cleric with effective cleric level 18 and effective sorcerer level 16.

Of course, you'll have ASF if you try to use armor like a normal cleric, and your BAB and caster level will be behind a bit, and your channel energy and bloodline powers/spells/feats will be a complete joke, but it seems like a fair trade.


Come to think of it, what does taking evangelist to extend a prestige class to an effective class level beyond 10th do? Does a cleric 3/sorcerer 1/mystic theurge 6/evangelist 10 have Combined Spells (6th), Combined Spells (7th), and Combined Spells (8th)?


Prestiege classes do not extend beyond 10th level. You would gain no further benefit from Aligned Class feature after the class reaches 10th effective level. So if you wanted to select a Prestiege class as your aligned class I would suggest doing so after only 1 level of it. Otherwise the aligned class feature will stop adding things to your character.

It's probably just better to rule that Prestiege classes are ineligible for Aligned Class.


However, there are rules for characters going beyond 20th level. While you couldn't normally extend a prestige class past 10th before character level 20, I think the rules allow for levels of prestige classes past 10th if you have achieved 21st character level.

And what if you take cleric 3/sorcerer 1/mystic theurge 1/evangelist 6/mystic theurge 9?


If it's the materials in chapter 12 of the CRB you mean I wouldn't call them rules per se - more like very broad guidelines. Don't expect it to fly in PFS or with a RAW-minded GM.

That said, as long as the GM is OK with it then there's no real problem with progressing prestige classes past level 10, either on their own or via evangelist.


So

Cleric 3
Sorcerer 1
Mystic Theurge 1
Evangelist 10
Back to Cleric or Sorceror?


RMcD wrote:

So

Cleric 3
Sorcerer 1
Mystic Theurge 1
Evangelist 10
Back to Cleric or Sorceror?

Yes, unless you want to essentially waste class levels.

Thelemic_Noun wrote:

However, there are rules for characters going beyond 20th level. While you couldn't normally extend a prestige class past 10th before character level 20, I think the rules allow for levels of prestige classes past 10th if you have achieved 21st character level.

And what if you take cleric 3/sorcerer 1/mystic theurge 1/evangelist 6/mystic theurge 9?

Perhaps, but you would need to have more than 20 class levels for this to come into play. Even then, the Epic "rules" are more guidelines that were never flushed out. Paizo has at this time decided not to give any more support to Epic, and instead created Mythic as a similar opportunity for character advancement but distinctly its own.


Hmm, something that amuses me was that you could do that and then go into Exalted.

15 levels, then 5 levels of Exalted, for a total of 3 prestige classes, plus you would get all of the Exalted and all of the Evangelist boons right? Could you take a 1 level dip in Sentinel to get access to every single boon by level 20 or is there something that stops that?

Edit: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/deific-obedience

The way that's worded makes a RAW reading mean you'd get Evangelist + Sentinel but not Exalted .


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15 levels, then 5 levels of Exalted, for a total of 3 prestige classes, plus you would get all of the Exalted and all of the Evangelist boons right? Could you take a 1 level dip in Sentinel to get access to every single boon by level 20 or is there something that stops that?

No, you'd get all 3 Evangelist (from levels 3, 6, 9 of Evangelist) and the first Exalted (from level 3 of Evangelist) boon.

The 12/16/20 HD advancement only applies to getting Exalted Boons if you have no ranks in any of the prestige classes.
If you have a prestige class, you gain the boons at the prestige class levels specified (3, 6, and 9 for all).


Thelemic_Noun wrote:

Can an evangelist choose a prestige class as their aligned class?

Aligned Class wrote:
At 2nd level, the evangelist must choose a class she belonged to before adding the prestige class to be her aligned class. She gains all the class features for this class, essentially adding every evangelist level beyond 1st to her aligned class to determine what class features she gains. She still retains the Hit Dice, base attack bonus, saving throw bonuses, and skill ranks of the prestige class, but gains all other class features of her aligned class as well as those of the evangelist prestige class.
I ask this because, in combination with the SLA-as-prerequisite, a mystic theurge character can go all the way to level 20 and not lose more than 2 levels from their main class.

You mentioned ECL 18 cleric 16 sorcerer...think I can do better than that:

Tiefling or Aasimar (or anything else with a 2nd level arcane SLA) Sorceror 1
Oracle (lore for augury or any other similar with 2nd level divine SLA) 2, Mystic Theurge 10 --> Evangelist 7:

Sorceror Casting 17 (if witch/wizard you'd have 9th level spells)
Oracle Casting 18 (9th level spontaneous spells)

Same casting stat, could also do with the empyreal/cleric route as mentioned earlier.

Sovereign Court

Am I correct in understanding that the Evangelist gains both spells and other class abilities of the aligned class?

Silver Crusade

I read it that way.


Thelemic_Noun wrote:
Come to think of it, what does taking evangelist to extend a prestige class to an effective class level beyond 10th do? Does a cleric 3/sorcerer 1/mystic theurge 6/evangelist 10 have Combined Spells (6th), Combined Spells (7th), and Combined Spells (8th)?

The way I understand it is that class features that are specified to have a scaling(such as Sneak Attack damage dice, increased Spellcasting, BAB, Saves, or Rage/Performance rounds) would continue to be gained at the indicated levels.

What that means is that class features stated to scale at certain level increases would continue to scale so long as the class features don't specify a maximum value at 'X' level.

Unfortunately for the Mystic Theurge, the Combined Spells class feature has that exact limitation calling out a cap at 9th level. It wouldn't be unreasonable to houserule that though, but by RAW it doesn't work.

For what it is worth, IMO the increase to both effective spell levels is worth it without the features.

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