Potion of Greater Invisibility?


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Greater Invisibility is a third level Summoner spell. Is a potion legal in PFS?

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Nope.

Guide 6.0

All potions, scrolls, wands, and other consumables are
made by clerics, druids, or wizards in Pathfinder Society
Organized Play. The only exceptions are spells that are not
on the cleric, druid, or wizard spell list

Shadow Lodge 4/5 *** Venture-Captain, Michigan—Mt. Pleasant

No. You always look at whether it is on Cleric, Druid, or Wizard spell lists first and use their levels before you see if it's on another class' list.

So in this case Greater Invisibility is a 4th level wizard spell, so it is not available as a potion (unless one is found on a chronicle sheet).

Sczarni 3/5

Even if it's on your own spell list but a lower level spell on the cleric/wizard list?

Sczarni

Carla the Profane wrote:
Even if it's on your own spell list but a lower level spell on the cleric/wizard list?

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.

Again, for the purposes of buying potions, wands and scrolls, you default to the spell level of the Cleric, Druid & Sorceror/Wizard lists. Remember, you *never* craft in PFS. You buy your gear and the only people selling those consumables are Clerics, Druids and Sorc/Wizards (unless it's a Ranger/Paladin/Inquisitor/etc. only spell).

As far as preparing and casting your own spells, you cast them according to whatever is on your class's spell list. If you are a Summoner and Spell A is 4th Level Summoner spell but a 2nd Level Wizard spell, you have to prepare it as a 4th Level Summoner Spell. If you want to buy a potion/wand or scroll, luckily for you you buy it as a 2nd Level item.

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Carla the Profane wrote:
Even if it's on your own spell list but a lower level spell on the cleric/wizard list?

Not totally sure I understand your question, but let me see if this answers it:

When determining the level of a spell for purchasing it as a potion, scroll, or wand, you start by seeing if it is on the Wizard, Cleric and Druid spell lists. If it is on only one of them, you use that instance to determine level for costs, and whether it is legal for inclusion as a potion or wand.

If it appears on multiple lists of these three classes'lists, like, for example, Continuous Flame, you would use the lower level version from those lists to determine purchase level, including caster level, cost, and whether it can be potioned or wanded. CF, for instance, would be priced as the second level Wizard spell, rather than the third level Cleric spell.

If a spell does not appear on any of the three lists, you then check the other spellcasters' lists for it, and use the lowest level version of the spell for purposes of pricing and determining wand and potion legality. Bless weapon, for instance, is only a first level Paladin spell, so that is how it would be handled.

So, if you have spell X at 5th level on your classes' list, but it appears on the Wizard list at 4th level, it is treated as a 4th level spell for purchase price, caster level, etc.

Remember that wands, even in regular PF, are neither arcane nor divine.
Scrolls, in PFS, also don't care if you are arcane or divine, just whether the spell is on your spell list.
Potions, of course, don't even care if you are a spellcaster. And, in some cases, can be a better option for the use of some spells. Enlarge Person, for instance, is a 1 round casting time spell, including from a scroll or wand, but only takes a standard action to get from drinking a potion. Lesser Restoration improves even more, since it is a 3 round casting time, but, again, only a standard action to drink in potion form. Out of combat, who cares, but, in combat, when you are about to get transformed into a Shadow...

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Carla the Profane wrote:
Even if it's on your own spell list but a lower level spell on the cleric/wizard list?

Yes, since you don't have the brew potion feat.

Sczarni 3/5

That's good, because the Razmiran priest sorcerer archetype can use divine scrolls without expending them by using own spell slots; This way I can effectively cast my spells by expending lower lvl spell uses than when I knew the spell, albeit at a lower caster lvl etc. (Can't think of an example atm)

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Carla the Profane wrote:
That's good, because the Razmiran priest sorcerer archetype can use divine scrolls without expending them by using own spell slots; This way I can effectively cast my spells by expending lower lvl spell uses than when I knew the spell, albeit at a lower caster lvl etc. (Can't think of an example atm)

Except in PFS, there is no distinction between arcane and divine scrolls. So I think that may be a moot point, unless there's something I haven't seen. Does he treat scrolls of spells on both lists as if they were arcane or if they were divine?

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David Montgomery wrote:
Carla the Profane wrote:
That's good, because the Razmiran priest sorcerer archetype can use divine scrolls without expending them by using own spell slots; This way I can effectively cast my spells by expending lower lvl spell uses than when I knew the spell, albeit at a lower caster lvl etc. (Can't think of an example atm)
Except in PFS, there is no distinction between arcane and divine scrolls. So I think that may be a moot point, unless there's something I haven't seen. Does he treat scrolls of spells on both lists as if they were arcane or if they were divine?

That is not quite what the guide says, it says there is no need to track the difference between arcane or divine scrolls so, for example, bards can use cure light wounds scrolls.

I have a Razmiran Sorcerer and so far I have tended to take a very conservation view of which scrolls he can use with his ability. I pretty much stick just to spells which are on either the Cleric or druid list and anything which appears only on the list of partial divine casters like Holy Sword.

So Comprehend Languages is I think fine, it is a cleric spell so you can clearly have a divine scroll of it. Fireball is not despite appearing on the spell list of various cleric domains, oracle mysteries and shaman spirits.

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Generally speaking, no.

There is however one exception: the Potion of Strongjaw is allowed.

http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2opvz?Potion-of-Strong-Jaw#15

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joeyfixit wrote:
Greater Invisibility is a third level Summoner spell. Is a potion legal in PFS?

No, but you can get Dust of Disappearance though.

Mekkis wrote:

There is however one exception: the Potion of Strongjaw is allowed.

http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2opvz?Potion-of-Strong-Jaw#15

As an exceptional exception, that's still pretty peculiar.

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