Divine caster carrying other holy symbols


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blackbloodtroll wrote:

Could one present a (Un)Holy Symbol, that was under the effect of an Invisibility spell?

What about a Silent Image, to disguise it a different symbol?

If you conceal what it is, you haven't offered it for their appreciation nor invoked the majesty of your god.

Does that prevent you channelling while under greater invisibility? Why, very possibly it does.

However if you present your deity's symbol and those affected could see it, if they could see in the dark or through smoke or fog, I think their inability to see what you openly presented is on them.

Grand Lodge

What if your enemies are blind, or do not rely on sight?

Who has see it?


Them not seeing it does not mean it was not presented.

Now if the symbol had to be "observed", that would be different.


Paulicus wrote:

Hi all,

I've had a player in PFS bring this up a few times, though it's never been a significant factor, but I've never seen a rule on it. Here's the question:

Can a divine caster still cast spells while in possession of another deity's holy symbol?

Example: a cleric of Abadar has in his possession (not necessarily held) a holy symbol of Groetus. It could've been recovered from a cultist, found in a chest/box, or worn as part of an undercover mission. Regardless of the specific deity's, I've heard more than once that a cleric/inquisitor/other divine caster (that needs a holy symbol, at least) can't cast spells if they have a symbol of a different god in their possession. My challenge to the rule forums: find where this rule exists, or where the misconception may have come from. You have 24 hours. Good luck.

It is from 4th Edition:

4E PHB p236 wrote:

Holy Symbols

If you are a member of a class that can use a holy symbol as an implement, you can apply the enhancement bonus of a holy symbol to the attack rolls and the damage rolls of any of your powers from that class that have the implement keyword, and you can use a holy symbol’s properties and powers. Members of other classes gain no benefit from wearing or holding a holy symbol.
A holy symbol represents your deity and takes the shape of an aspect of the god. (See pages 21–22 for the symbols of the good, lawful good, and unaligned deities.) As with most other implements, you can’t make melee attacks with a holy symbol.
Unlike other implements, you need only to wear a holy symbol for its property or power to function. If you are wearing or holding more than one holy symbol, none of your symbols function.

/cevah

Grand Lodge

Oh, so now I have another reason to dislike 4E?

Anyways, it seems we found where the confusion came from.

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