Nerdtothe3rd |
Is there any class that could in Theory work just fine with straight 10 abilities scores? Now of course I mean at Character creation, buying belts and so forth is one thing or adding in bonuses via other means is fine but I mean if you rolled straight 10s is there any class that would be a least fine and dandy.
Majuba |
Sure. If the 10's are pre-race, any caster could do fine with a 12. Just need a headband by 7th level. Starting with 10 would be a bit rough.
Fighter would do fine, though lacking pre-req for power attack/deadly/combat expertise is a bit limiting. Okay if pre-race to retrain a feat at 4th level when you get a 13. Ranger might be better, more base skills and no need for feat prereqs. Plus animal companion.
Given the right circumstances, I'd play it. *Easily* if it were 11/11/11/10/10/10, pre-race.
Edit: If you wanted to try this in PFS, you could do an 18 Con, then 11/11/11/10/10.
Nerdtothe3rd |
This question is roll straight tens on the dice, so yes Pre-Race bonuses of course I forgot to mention that.
I was curious because of the emphasis that stats get over so much. I might honestly try a build for this simply because I would like to see how a DM reacts to a character who is in basics very weak looking.
Summoner was a no brainer due to the eidolon and Synthesist for sure due to the eidolon's stats counting for your own.
Anything else?
Rub-Eta |
Any class feat that (directly) depends on any ability score would be useless. Casters is a no-go. This also cramps a lot of feat prerequisits.
If you still want to be "on-par" with anyone else, I'd think rogue (I'm not joking, just a little). Because they're always squishy anyways but they can still get extra damage without ability scores. And you will still have skills.
But I do think a class with heavy armour would be better, maybe a Cavalier? Your horse could be usefull, at least.
Lucy_Valentine |
Is there any class that could in Theory work just fine with straight 10 abilities scores? Now of course I mean at Character creation, buying belts and so forth is one thing or adding in bonuses via other means is fine but I mean if you rolled straight 10s is there any class that would be a least fine and dandy.
Not exactly "fine", but if you pick a race with +dex and +wis, a Hunter could be not completely terrible for more or less the same reasons as the summoner: buffed animal companion, and you hang back to do archery so your low AC low HP body isn't getting stabbed so much.
Lyee |
Cleric with +2 to Wis.
As long as your GM lets you get a headband by level 10, and another by 18, you get spells at the same rate as an Oracle. As a Cleric, you can focus on buffs and such that don't care about DC, so you can ignore that aspect of a high casting stat. Low spells-per-day hurt a tiny bit, but spend a section of your WBL on important scrolls/wands and you should get by.
It should go without saying that this is less effective than a really high-Wis Cleric, and more likely to get killed than a high Con/Dex/Wis cleric, and has less utility than a high Int cleric, and more likely to have dead turns in combat than a high Str cleric, ect.
Your channeling isn't actually that ruined by low Cha - you heal just as much, 3 times a day, which is often enough. You do lose the ability to hurt undead reliably.
Majuba |
But I do think a class with heavy armour would be better, maybe a Cavalier? Your horse could be usefull, at least.
That really is a good suggestion. Handle Animal/Ride DCs are low, Challenge adds significantly for important combats, and yes, full plate. Not to mention 'buffing' the party with teamwork, while the mount deals the damage.
Renegadeshepherd |
Master summoner would be respectable. Though he can't summon nearly as much he could still swarm one or two encounters, have a weak eidilon, and be able to participate on his own. Subpar but doable.
Dhampir antipaladin or necromancy cleric. Self heal you and undead army with mild AoE damage. Respectable.
chaoseffect |
Strict buffer Bard could possibly work. Be a human for +2 charisma for 12 starting so you can cast your spells. Take Extra Performance and Lingering Performance at level 1, Master Performance at level 3. By 4th you should have a headband for your bonus second level slot. Do nothing but Inspire Courage and use spells with no DCs. Prepare to spend a lot of time just standing around free action maintaining because you have limited spells and you sure as shit aren't gonna actually help kill anything.
anlashok |
Any class feat that (directly) depends on any ability score would be useless. Casters is a no-go.
Not sure why you say that. Starting 12 is annoying, but as long as you avoid stuff that relies on a save you're dandy. items that increase your primary attribute are key, but you're still mostly fine, at least considering the limitations. Realistically a caster of some sort is probably your best pick for the role.
Scratching my head at the mentions of fighter or barbarian though.
wraithstrike |
This question is roll straight tens on the dice, so yes Pre-Race bonuses of course I forgot to mention that.
I was curious because of the emphasis that stats get over so much. I might honestly try a build for this simply because I would like to see how a DM reacts to a character who is in basics very weak looking.Summoner was a no brainer due to the eidolon and Synthesist for sure due to the eidolon's stats counting for your own.
Anything else?
Not unless the GM is being really nice.
Bandw2 |
Rub-Eta wrote:Any class feat that (directly) depends on any ability score would be useless. Casters is a no-go.Not sure why you say that. Starting 12 is annoying, but as long as you avoid stuff that relies on a save you're dandy. items that increase your primary attribute are key, but you're still mostly fine, at least considering the limitations. Realistically a caster of some sort is probably your best pick for the role.
Scratching my head at the mentions of fighter or barbarian though.
well an invulnerable rager is still got DR out the wazoo. Fighters just need feats, so they will always be fine.
Bandw2 |
You'd be fine to do a number of things. Spell casters would be rough with a 10 since..that's just cantrips. Melee classes would be playable though. Saves would hurt. Once you have a few levels though it isn't so bad. Could do a ranger or barbarian easily enough.
you can get a 12 due to racials.
edit: alchemist also might be a good option... in fact all 2/3rd casters are good options.
LazarX |
This question is roll straight tens on the dice, so yes Pre-Race bonuses of course I forgot to mention that.
I was curious because of the emphasis that stats get over so much. I might honestly try a build for this simply because I would like to see how a DM reacts to a character who is in basics very weak looking.Summoner was a no brainer due to the eidolon and Synthesist for sure due to the eidolon's stats counting for your own.
Anything else?
If your'e that lousy a summoner that you made no use of your spells, I could see coming to that conclusion, but those spells were bread and butter for my summoner.
You do understand that with a charisma of 10, you're casting nothing but cantrips, right?
Bandw2 |
Nerdtothe3rd wrote:This question is roll straight tens on the dice, so yes Pre-Race bonuses of course I forgot to mention that.
I was curious because of the emphasis that stats get over so much. I might honestly try a build for this simply because I would like to see how a DM reacts to a character who is in basics very weak looking.Summoner was a no brainer due to the eidolon and Synthesist for sure due to the eidolon's stats counting for your own.
Anything else?
If your'e that lousy a summoner that you made no use of your spells, I could see coming to that conclusion, but those spells were bread and butter for my summoner.
You do understand that with a charisma of 10, you're casting nothing but cantrips, right?
or he could be a human and put his +2 in charisma...
PIXIE DUST |
Or an aasimar... or dhampir... or half-elf/orc... or special tieflings... or the multitude of otehr races that grant Cha (I swear, Paizo really likes making races with +2 cha)...
And spell casting wise, Summoners still get SM on their spell list AND they have a lot of buff spells for their Eidolon, of which if you are a Synthesist, is a buff spell for yourself.