Now... Looking over things, I would probably play an "earth pony" (the normal one, right?)
Probably an oracle, focusing on cold and negative energy magic, along with debuffs.
Either that, or the exact opposite direction, a fire and healing based oracle, with buff spells.
Hmm, would Discord exist as a deity in this setting?
Seems to me that only having two deities, one NG and one CE, is kinda limiting. Obviously worship of Nightmare Moon wouldn't be accepted in normal pony society so it's basically leaving only one deity for PCs.
I know you were saying you don't want Twilight as a deity but deities of magic are kinda useful to have in games.
This is up to you of course, but what I would do for deities and their main areas of concern:
LG: Celestia (Sun). NG: Twilight Sparkle (Magic) CG: Cadence (Love)
LN: ? N: ? CN: Discord (Chaos)
LE: Tirek (Power) NE: Chrysalis (Trickery) CE: Nightmare Moon (Night)
For game variety, I might have Luna as separate from Nightmare Moon, as a neutral or LN deity of the moon. Incidentally, this is actually semi-canon, depending on how you regard the comics:
Anyway, I'm a huge dork, obviously, for knowing this, but hey, I always think RPGs are better for having a pantheon.
I'm not sure it was said there was only 2, just only 2 were mentioned.
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Earth ponies are sturdier and stronger physically than unicorns an pegasi, I'd give them a bonus to some combination of str con and wisdom, penalty to perhaps charisma or dexterity, in the show they generally have an inborn tallent for the earth and nature,
Unicorns are the Mage ponies, usually frail (though not always, I'd stat shining armor as a paladin), they all have some Kind of telekinetic ability, for balance sake probably Mage hand at will, probably bonus to int, maybe dex wis or cha penalty to con or strength
Pegasi are fast, they fly and have weather related abilities Id say bonus to dex and charisma maybe penalty to wisdom,
changlings are emotivores, they gain sustanence from emotion
Love and joy, hate and fear, whichever is easier, they can disguise themselves as
They can disguise themselves as whoever they wish, and look rather monstrous in their true form
I really hope they have a bonus to charisma, disguise and bluff are vital to them, and charisma is important to the class I want
Unfortunately I know next to nothing about crystal ponies and griffons other than they have their own nations
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Hmm, would Discord exist as a deity in this setting?
Seems to me that only having two deities, one NG and one CE, is kinda limiting. Obviously worship of Nightmare Moon wouldn't be accepted in normal pony society so it's basically leaving only one deity for PCs.
I know you were saying you don't want Twilight as a deity but deities of magic are kinda useful to have in games.
This is up to you of course, but what I would do for deities and their main areas of concern:
LG: Celestia (Sun). NG: Twilight Sparkle (Magic) CG: Cadence (Love)
LN: ? N: ? CN: Discord (Chaos)
LE: Tirek (Power) NE: Chrysalis (Trickery) CE: Nightmare Moon (Night)
For game variety, I might have Luna as separate from Nightmare Moon, as a neutral or LN deity of the moon. Incidentally, this is actually semi-canon, depending on how you regard the comics:
** spoiler omitted **
Anyway, I'm a huge dork, obviously, for knowing this, but hey, I always think RPGs are better for having a pantheon.
you could have the elements of harmony to be a LN Greater Power (the term deity just messes with my head when applied to these beings)
who's that Tirek person? I'm not familiar with him (her?)
The antagonist in the most recent season finale. A big centaur like guy with red skin and horns whom Celestia banished to Hell (or an equivalent) at some time in the past.
Greetings! This looks delectable. I do like what you've done with the place, particularly moving the alicorns 'beyond mortal ken'...Though I really am curious to see what happens with the Crystal Empire, for example...And what about the sea ponies? ;D
I did have a small torrent of questions to bombard you with:
Firstly, I am kind of curious about the flavor. I know that certain of the various MLP-based RPG conversions were very much 'Violence bad! FRIENDSHIP SNUGGLES ACTIVATE!' about solving encounters. I am going to guess, based on the various character permutations to date and that you're basing this loosely in 3.5, that you're looking at a somewhat darker, grittier, and more violent timeframe.
Secondly, class-based question: the Factotum is explicitly, as part of its class concept, able to fiddle up both arcane and divine magical capabilities which the person doesn't have either training with or other aptitude for, in a fashion which also allows them to sidestep things like class requirements for wands, if I remember rightly...They're sort of stepping 'outside' of the norm and making things work which shouldn't. Would an earth pony factotum be viable despite your edict that "Only races with horns are capable of casting arcane spells"?
Thirdly, for purposes of aerial races, late in the game Dragon magazine published some PrCs which were specifically meant to give bonuses to specialists in aerial combat skills (or death-from-above charges). So I have a couple of questions about those weird aerial rules and air-to-ground attacks:
1: would PrCs such as the Stormtalon from Races of the Wild or Dragon's Aerial Avenger be potentially accessible to characters from flying races?
2: can a flying Dungeoncrasher 'smash' a charged target into the ground for the kind of bonus effects which a Dungeoncrasher receives from smashing a charged target into the wall?
3: will pegasi be able to 'cloudwalk' and 'cloudshape' naturally as a 'racial trait' or will this be feat-territory?
4: Not flying related, but as above for unicorns and Mage Hand?
As you can undoubtedly tell from the diverse line of questioning, I have a few different ideas colliding in my poor little head.
I do hope that you decide to run with this, and that I spot the recruitment thread before there are nine thousand entries, as I expect it will be quite popular. :)
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I am still deciding whether King Sombra is the ruler of the Crystal Empire. I need to re-watch those episodes to decide.
It would be sweet if the party were the ones that took him down the first time :D
almost got my two characters lined up just need race info and how your doing stats to finalize them
Addendum:
Actually, for some reason, with some of the classes referenced I confused myself into thinking this game was 3.5. ...Which means a large percentage of my questions are suddenly relating to non-Paizo elements. I'm not aware that the Factotum or Fighter/Dungeoncrasher was ever converted to Pathfinder, and almost certainly the Aerial Avenger and Stormtalon were not (although the latter two, being PrCs with minimal effects other than modifications to flight speed and damage, wouldn't be problematic to swing, I imagine).
I'd suggest that you consider them in any case, because to the best of my knowledge, the Level 2 Dungeoncrasher fighter alt-level is pretty much the best "feat" one will find for a 'ramming'-style combat flyer. It replaces the level 2 3.5 fighter feat with bonus damage to one's bull rush if one bull rushes the opponent into a solid target (the ground does count if attacking from above, I was just reviewing it), as well as strength bonuses to breaking things. Combined with the diving-distance-and-speed = add'l damage dice from some of the aforementioned 3.5 flying PrCs and you have a bare-hooved fighter that can perform quite serious damage with a little space and altitude, but is far more limited indoors or in close-quarters where they have no room to get speed up. It's an interesting mechanic, IMHO...Allows your 'rainboom nuke' equivalent as you approach levels 11+, and in the meantime gives a distinct fighting style to a pegasus...And the drawback of 'I have no room to fly/maneuver in here, I can't really work up a solid hit' is built right into the rules on diving.
Hm, or is it? In 3.5 it is...Speed and altitude both add damage to a bull-rush or over-run when diving. I need to review PF's flight rules.
The PrCs offer a mixture of bonus damage to dives, speed increases, and maneuverability increases, all of which are aimed at flying characters, and to the best of my awareness no such 'flyer classes' exist in PF at this time.
...I'm not aware that the Factotum...
This is the closest thing I've found to the Factotum. Looks really neat, but not quite as awesome. About 20% less awesome.
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basically the same class, but with a slightly more shapeshifter vibe,...I'm not aware that the Factotum...This is the closest thing I've found to the Factotum. Looks really neat, but not quite as awesome. About 20% less awesome.
As for flying there are numerous ways to go through Druid to focus on flight, but I figure the airborn ambusher is more what you're looking for
It's even non third party, and an archetype of fighter
Thank you gentlemen!
I must say that, at first glance, the Savant looks a bit more the speed I was imagining. Something about the ability to incarnate bits of heroism via inspiration seems rather nifty. However, this does raise a bit of a question with regards to the notes about race...None of the races the class was planned for could fly, or had inherent magic, for example, so embodying into another PC race in Equestria is rather different from temporarily becoming a dwarf or elf...
Shame they're both third party.
Airborne Ambusher looks VERY similar to some aspects of the other 'flyer combat' PrCs I'd mentioned. It's a little distinct in that it is clearly a Fighter archy rather than a PrC, but that's hardly a bad thing.
I am leaning more towards the Savant at the moment, mentality-wise. I like playing storytellers, and as anyone who has seen my pony comic which I am far too slow an artist and far too busy and stressy to draw lately can tell, I REALLY like the idea of characters that self-analyze the masks they wear to deal with the world.
Ugh. Four months? It's been four months? *Kicks pebble and wanders off sulkily.*
Glad to be of service :)
Also, that comic looks slick.
If it makes you feel better, Tracy Butler went like... 6 months between updates on Lackadaisy recently lol
EDIT: Thinking on how weapons and what-have-you would work, I'm reminded of that odd fork that beholders hold in their mouths to manipulate things that require hands...
Glad to be of service :)
Also, that comic looks slick.
If it makes you feel better, Tracy Butler went like... 6 months between updates on Lackadaisy recently lol
Thanks, and I'm glad you liked it. If I thought I had a picogram of the talent Ms. Butler does, I might be able to look at it that way. Truth is I am slow and untalented...I create nice things by beating on them with repeated erasing and redrawing until finally things look okay. A panel takes me a week or two, so I either have to not draw so pretty (T_T) or cope with hardly ever producing anything.
EDIT: Thinking on how weapons and what-have-you would work, I'm reminded of that odd fork that beholders hold in their mouths to manipulate things that require hands...
In one of the campaigns I was in previously using variant D&D rules, hoofblades that worked like gravity knives (stomp to unlock, swing to extend, locks in place, tap sideways with other hoof to unlock, then step on to press back into sheathe) were in common use among military ponies. I did a sort of swinging cantilever-hinge variation for my pegasus at the time. We also had shoulder-shields and side-mounted longarms (spears and the like) as seen in S2E20's jousting match but I believe the big barbarian had a 'normal' 2H axe that he just mouthed and swung around head-first (makes me imagine that the pony equivalent of Conan would have neck muscles like wow). And our only archers were unicorns, using Mage Hand to handle bows and to reload, although I really love the imagery here for the idea of a unicorn archer. Yeah, I'm a little biased. A little. >_>
This artist has also done a lot with medieval-armored and armed ponies.
And my Stalliongrad militsiya tag, although some of the uniforms are more Napoleonic than medieval. More hoofblades, armor thoughts and saber-dueling pegasi, though.
And I should probably stop spamming this forum now, enthusiastic or not...
I wasn't saying that the weapons couldn't be done those ways (the Rarity archer comic is pretty awesome). Just that I was reminded of those forks :3
The Conan thing... I'll stow that for my barbarian for this campaign :D
A little more spamming: have you seen the 40K things out on the interwebs? I'm sure you have, but if not... check the things out!
Is psionics are approved....
I wasn't saying that the weapons couldn't be done those ways (the Rarity archer comic is pretty awesome). Just that I was reminded of those forks :3
Oh, yeah, sure, I was just adding those in for ideas for everybody. I am not a big fan of one-true-way-ism, myself. :)
And if you liked the Rarity archer comic, look for the other two in that series by the same guy (I think there are links near the bottom to them?) because they are AWESOME. Even the Pinkie Pie one is freaking amazing and I'm not that much of a Pinkie fan. I don't dislike her, I just wish the writers would write her more consistently. I like 'smart Pinkie who everyone thinks is being silly but actually has hidden wisdom' a LOT. I don't like 'stupid Pinkie who keeps screwing things up without noticing how inappropriate she is.' and unfortunately some of the series writers seem to do that far too much.
The Conan thing... I'll stow that for my barbarian for this campaign :D
ENGAGE MIGHTY THEWS.
A little more spamming: have you seen the 40K things out on the interwebs? I'm sure you have, but if not... check the things out!
The Ponyhammer 40-K stuff? Sure have. It's not so much my thing, I'm afraid. I like things gritty, but too much of the 40K stuff seems like a very transparent attempt to translate stock fantasy tropes into space (right down to having space elves and space orcs) rather than, oh, I don't know, being creative. But it lets them sell to all the people who like orcs and elves, and that's their market. Can't fault their marketing machine...
If it turns out that Savant isn't a good fit with Morphling's desires for the campaign setting, I will probably do something roguelike, since I haven't seen any skillmonkeys...skillponies? submitted yet. Unless I missed one.
OH! Hey, that reminds me, since earlier I was discussing bull rushes...If I am remembering right (books not in front of me) Pathfinder does away with the defender modifiers for 'having 4 or more legs' that D&D 3.5 had, correct? I'd imagine the idea of 'traction' or 'additional bracing' would cancel out when two four-legged critters were involved, in any case...
Things are different when it's ponies, hm?
With all this interest, I can almost guarantee I'm not getting in. I don't even watch the show.
XD
Wizard, illusionist.
Illusion is one of the evil magics of the setting...
@icehawk: OP said that knowledge of the show isn't necessary. Keep hope alive!
@Rosza: I think stability still applies, but I don't know how it will work for certain if both parties in the bull rush (pony rush?) Have four legs... Also, Pinkie Pie is my spirit guide lol but yeah... Consistency would be nice. Or, at least, more attention :/
Illusion is one of the evil magics of the setting...
@icehawk: OP said that knowledge of the show isn't necessary. Keep hope alive!
@Rosza: I think stability still applies, but I don't know how it will work for certain if both parties in the bull rush (pony rush?) Have four legs... Also, Pinkie Pie is my spirit guide lol but yeah... Consistency would be nice. Or, at least, more attention :/
He asked how to cause havoc...
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Illusion is one of the evil magics of the setting...
@icehawk: OP said that knowledge of the show isn't necessary. Keep hope alive!
@Rosza: I think stability still applies, but I don't know how it will work for certain if both parties in the bull rush (pony rush?) Have four legs... Also, Pinkie Pie is my spirit guide lol but yeah... Consistency would be nice. Or, at least, more attention :/
not evil, mistrusted.
not evil, mistrusted.
I guess I misinterpreted that...
Illusion is A-okay, folks :3
Okay, the more I think about the Savant class, a storyteller who takes on the aspect/visage of the heroes/heroines being told about, the more I like it.
If it's okay with Morphling, then I'm looking at a Savant, probably either a pegasus or a griffon. Savants seem to key off charisma, so potentially a party 'face' even when not talking with some hero's voice.
I'm interested depending on pace of the game. Probably a changling since I'm already playing a normal pony in another game.
I can post a few times a week, hope that isn't too slow to play.
I would point out two other rule sets for your perusal though,
The Savage World of My Little Pony found on deviant art (love this one),
And Fallout Equestria, I forget where exactly this can be found, but I'll post when I find it again.
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Almost forgot, where are the zebras?
And perhaps I missed something, but aren't the crystal ponies also of three varieties, earth, pegasi, and unicorn?
Almost forgot, where are the zebras?
And perhaps I missed something, but aren't the crystal ponies also of three varieties, earth, pegasi, and unicorn?
Not trying to be all 'canon-maven' here, but there are only earth ponies in the original Crystal Empire episode. The wiki mentions that later on there's a pegasus crystal pony that turns up in one other episode:
In Three's A Crowd, a Crystal Pegasus royal guard appears alongside Princess Cadance during her arrival in Ponyville.
...Which might be overlooking the canon in an attempt to 'fill the background with variety'. Or might be the equivalent of Luna having bat ponies. Not particularly shown as a race in canon, just 'an effect of the royal guards.' Speculation.
There might be crystal unicorns in the comics or not, I haven't read them all. Not everyone considers them canon. Hasbro released a transparent glitter-dusted version of every doggone toy they had that year and labeled them 'crystal' but that's really a marketing thing.
If you go by 'the big Crystal Empire episode,' then they are all earth ponies. Which somewhat makes sense, crystal being a rock formation and all...
Morphling might decide to put in crystal everything or not, but there isn't much in the show to suggest that there are non-earth pony crystal ponies. If it's not a 'special racial template' but just a color scheme, then it's probably not a big deal, but asking to create separate racial characteristics for another triumvirate of pony races might be OTT.
Well, in the initial episode, everypony had gone crystal for awhile which suggests it is an effect of either the location or the crystal heart.
I also saw the crystal pegasus and honestly that was all I really needed to have multiple variations in my head canon, but I can understand if someone else requires more. It is possible that you have ponies who were born and raised in the crystal effect and thus are crystal all the time, while others must be there for awhile to be affected and it wears off once they leave, this would make unicorn and pegasus crystal ponies rarer and fit all the episodes.
What I implied earlier was that being a crystal pony would have no special game effect: you just glitter.
Right, and if that's all it is then it isn't a big deal unless PLOT POINT ALL CRYSTAL UNICORNS ARE EEEEEEVIL (KRSHHHTALS) or something. If it requires creating more races/balancing then it's more work and that's up to Morphling.
And since I don't think Morphling specified whether they meant them to just be a paint job or 'a race' (in the sense of ability mods, traits, etc)...They were listed as 'Players will be able to choose between...' alongside the usual pony three.
We just don't know yet until Morphling weighs in. :)
Flutterbat...
But that was fruit juice lol
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So long as they don't suck blood.
I'm pretty sure they don't, but they are required to hiss at the sun and wander around in pretentious capes draped over one hoof held in front of their muzzles.
Flutterbat...
But that was fruit juice lol
Tosh, sheer fan speculation...For all we know, rainbow colored small horses have blood with assorted fruit flavors! :9
(Except for Rarity, whose blood tastes like marshmallows and dramatic posing, and Berry Punch, whose blood tastes like it should have a small paper umbrella stuck in it.)
Crystal Ponies are definitely their own race, and they have several interesting racial abilities, including vulnerability to emotional magic but receiving additional bonuses from morale effects. In this setting they never have wings, and it's a biological thing, not a transformative effect of the Crystal Heart. (Of course, powerful artifacts like the Crystal Heart could definitely temporarily cause other ponies to get Crystal Pony-like powers.)
I'm overwhelmed and very excited by the large amount of interest this has gotten! I'll be creating the actual recruitment thread, along with the rules/additional setting information, relatively soon. I still have some more big decisions to make - but letting everyone get a chance to see the racial stats, archetype options, and available feats will come soon.
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To answer a few questions I saw:
Zebras are functionally Earth Ponies, with identical stats.
Illusion is certainly not "evil" but is considered "suspicious." There is absolutely no restriction on specializing in illusion - other ponies just might be a little nervous about how much "Discord Magic" you're using, but no one is going to get aggressive with you.
I know nothing about psionics in Pathfinder... but what the hell. Sure. You can be psionic.
Squee. So excited.
Well, let's see what I can do.
To answer a few questions I saw:
Zebras are functionally Earth Ponies, with identical stats.
Illusion is certainly not "evil" but is considered "suspicious." There is absolutely no restriction on specializing in illusion - other ponies just might be a little nervous about how much "Discord Magic" you're using, but no one is going to get aggressive with you.
I know nothing about psionics in Pathfinder... but what the hell. Sure. You can be psionic.
As discussed earlier, is the Kobold Press/Open Design Savant class acceptable?
I rather like the idea of a storyteller whose shtick is embodying the heroes they tell stories about.
Reviewing lots of 3rd-party stuff for balance issues is really kind of time-consuming. I'm gonna go ahead and say no 3rd party material besides Dreamscarred Press's psionics.
Synthesist (or Aegis, as mentioned above) is fine, if you promise not to use it to intentionally become unkillable and absurdly overpowered. Strong is fine, stupidly broken is too much.
Reviewing lots of 3rd-party stuff for balance issues is really kind of time-consuming. I'm gonna go ahead and say no 3rd party material besides Dreamscarred Press's psionics.
Synthesist (or Aegis, as mentioned above) is fine, if you promise not to use it to intentionally become unkillable and absurdly overpowered. Strong is fine, stupidly broken is too much.
Alright then. That's a much better reason then I usually see.