Azara Emberkin |
Surprisingly, searching for this topic didn't net any results. It didn't even come up during this recent lengthy discussion on Precision Damage and Concealment.
Does the Shadow Strike feat allow you to deal precision damage against a target under the effects of Displacement?
Shadow Strike states that "You can deal precision damage, such as sneak attack damage, against targets with concealment (but not total concealment)."
Displacement states that "The creature benefits from a 50% miss chance as if it had total concealment. Unlike actual total concealment, displacement does not prevent enemies from targeting the creature normally."
I'm wondering if, since Displacement isn't actual total concealment, whether Shadow Strike would work or not.
I ask because my Swashbuckler just reached 4th level, and I'm thinking of grabbing Shadow Strike as my bonus Combat Feat. But if Shadow Strike only helps you against mundane 20% concealment effects, I won't bother with it.
Thoughts?
SlimGauge |
Displacement is not concealment at all. Displacement grants a miss chance AS IF there was total concealment, but that is all. It does not grant any of the other benefits of concealment, total or otherwise. Since it is not concealment, Shadow Strike is of no use.
If Shadow Strike had instead said "allows you to negate a miss chance from whatever source", then you'd have something.
Jeraa |
Displacement is not concealment at all. Displacement grants a miss chance AS IF there was total concealment, but that is all. It does not grant any of the other benefits of concealment, total or otherwise. Since it is not concealment, Shadow Strike is of no use.
If Shadow Strike had instead said "allows you to negate a miss chance from whatever source", then you'd have something.
I disagree. If all Displacement was supposed to give was a 50% miss chance, they could of said that. But instead they said it works as total concealment. The only reason to say that is to have the same things that affect total concealment to also affect displacement.
Shadow Strike won't help against displacement (as it is total concealment). It would work against blur, however, as that only grants concealment not total concealment.
Jeraa |
Quote:displacement does not prevent enemies from targeting the creature normallyIf you can target the creature normally you can deal precision damage normally...
That just means you don't have to guess which square the target is in, like you normally have to do with total concealment.
SlimGauge |
I disagree. If all Displacement was supposed to give was a 50% miss chance, they could of said that. But instead they said it works as total concealment. The only reason to say that is to have the same things that affect total concealment to also affect displacement.
I will turn that same argument back on you. If displacement was supposed to grant all the effects of concealment except the prevention of targeting, they would have said "grants total concealment, but can be targeted".
I think we will have to agree to disagree.
edit: fixed broken close quote
Jeraa |
I will turn that same argument back on you. If displacement was supposed to grant all the effects of concealment except the prevention of targeting, they would have said "grants total concealment, but can be targeted".
But it does say that.
"Grants total concealment"
The subject of this spell appears to be about 2 feet away from its true location. The creature benefits from a 50% miss chance as if it had total concealment. Unlike actual total concealment, displacement does not prevent enemies from targeting the creature normally. True seeing reveals its true location and negates the miss chance.
"but can be targeted"
The subject of this spell appears to be about 2 feet away from its true location. The creature benefits from a 50% miss chance as if it had total concealment. Unlike actual total concealment, displacement does not prevent enemies from targeting the creature normally. True seeing reveals its true location and negates the miss chance.
Jeraa |
Alrighty, so the answer is either...
No, because Displacement isn't concealment at all, it's just a miss chance, or...
No, because Displacement is "treated as" total concealment, which Shadow Strike cannot overcome.
?
Pretty much. Either way it goes, Shadow Strike does not help against Displacement.