So does a Duelist's Precise strike multiply on a critical hit?
The way I read it, precise strike doesn't work on creatures that have no discernible anatomy or can not be crit. it does not state, "this is precision damage and is not multiplied on a critical hit" Like sneak attack and the TeamWork feat Precise strike. (future books such as The swashbucklers precise strike out of the advanced classes does state "This is precision damage and is not multiplied on a critical hit"
Compared to the Shadowdancers Shadow Jump class feature were they are limited to only areas of dim light, A Duelist's precise strike is limited to only creatures that have a discernible anatomy and can be crit.
i would like to read other people opinion on this matter, so i can compare and contrast. Thanks for your time
'Precision damage' and 'not multiplied on a critical hit' are completely separate clauses.
The duelist's precise strike is a static number, not extra dice (like sneak attack), and is therefore multiplied on a critical hit.
Static precision damage is still not multiplied on a crit; it seems "precision" overrides "static." Look more closely at the ability and it clearly says so.
Precise Strike (Ex): At 3rd level, while she has at least 1 panache point, a swashbuckler gains the ability to strike precisely with a light or one-handed piercing melee weapon (though not natural weapon attacks), adding her swashbuckler level to the damage dealt. To use this deed, a swashbuckler cannot attack with a weapon in her other hand or use a shield other than a buckler. She can even use this ability with thrown light or one-handed piercing melee weapons, so long as the target is within 30 feet of her. Any creature that is immune to sneak attacks is immune to the additional damage granted by precise strike, and any item or ability that protects a creature from critical hits also protects a creature from the additional damage of a precise strike. This additional damage is precision damage, and isn't multiplied on a critical hit. As a swift action, a swashbuckler can spend 1 panache point to double her precise strike's damage bonus on the next attack. This benefit must be used before the end of her turn, or it is lost. This deed's cost cannot be reduced by any ability or effect that reduces the amount of panache points a deed costs (such as the Signature Deed feat).
That's the Swashbuckler ability. The Duelist's ability doesn't say that.
My mistake. With all the topics about new classes I just auto-corrected "Duelist" to "Swashbuckler" in my head without even realizing.
Yeah, Duelist would seem to multiply because it doesn't say it doesn't.
Precise Strike (Ex): A duelist gains the ability to strike precisely with a light or one-handed piercing weapon, adding her duelist level to her damage roll.
When making a precise strike, a duelist cannot attack with a weapon in her other hand or use a shield. A duelist's precise strike only works against living creatures with discernible anatomies. Any creature that is immune to critical hits is also immune to a precise strike, and any item or ability that protects a creature from critical hits also protects a creature from a precise strike.
The weird thing about Precise Strike for a Duelist is that it doesn't actually say that it's precision damage. It almost certainly is supposed to be, but it doesn't actually say that. So, it doesn't appear to suffer from the typical restrictions people usually associate with precision damage.
So the it would see more people are in agreement with the Duelist's Precise strike, that it is multiplied on a critical Hit and it is not precision damage.
can anyone argue that it is precision damage?
Some Other Guy
So that post was back in 2009, they haven't errata'd it since then however they have errata'd plenty in the core rule book. This seems like a simple way to win an argument i need something a bit more than simply telling someone what was said back in 2009 and hasn't been implemented.
he also does not advocate that it is for certain precision damage.
Thanks for the Link Some Other Guy.