I think the relevant text might be needed.
In general, free actions do NOT provoke AoEs.
However, does the description from your feats say 'as a free action' or does it say 'the PC gets a free trip attempt'?
There is nothing in the rules that says this. Whether an action provokes is not determined by what "type" of action, i.e. standard, move, free, swift or immediate.
In this instance the action being taken is a Trip. Does a Trip attempt provoke? Only if one does not have Improved Trip. The OP indicates that the individual does not have Improved Trip so this would provoke. Whether it is a free action, standard action, or whatever has no relevance.
The rules explicitly say that casting spells as a free action does not provoke. But I don't think it's written that free actions, in general, never provoke. If it were true that free actions never provoke, they wouldn't need to specify that spellcasting as a free action doesn't provoke.
So yeah, I think a trip attempt as a free action provokes unless you have Improved Trip.
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The rules explicitly say that casting spells as a free action does not provoke. But I don't think it's written that free actions, in general, never provoke. If it were true that free actions never provoke, they wouldn't need to specify that spellcasting as a free action doesn't provoke.
So yeah, I think a trip attempt as a free action provokes unless you have Improved Trip.
What are these free actions spells that you are casting?
What are these free actions spells that you are casting?The rules explicitly say that casting spells as a free action does not provoke. But I don't think it's written that free actions, in general, never provoke. If it were true that free actions never provoke, they wouldn't need to specify that spellcasting as a free action doesn't provoke.
So yeah, I think a trip attempt as a free action provokes unless you have Improved Trip.
Honestly, I can't think of a single one. But it's written right there in the rules.
Spells that require only a free action to cast don't provoke attacks of opportunity.
This may be one of the rare situations where it does provoke an AOO. Which makes me sad because making CM's better is always fun.Free Actions
Free actions don't take any time at all, though there may be limits to the number of free actions you can perform in a turn. Free actions rarely incur attacks of opportunity. Some common free actions are described below.
Pretty much. It also explains why abilities such as "Grab" specifically say they do not provoke.
This may be one of the rare situations where it does provoke an AOO. Which makes me sad because making CM's better is always fun.Free Actions
Free actions don't take any time at all, though there may be limits to the number of free actions you can perform in a turn. Free actions rarely incur attacks of opportunity. Some common free actions are described below.
Where are you quoting from? The PRD has no language about rarely provoking.
Free Action: Free actions consume a very small amount of time and effort. You can perform one or more free actions while taking another action normally. However, there are reasonable limits on what you can really do for free, as decided by the GM.
Edit: Found it. Nevermind =)
Where are you quoting from? The PRD has no language about rarely provoking.
Free Action: Free actions consume a very small amount of time and effort. You can perform one or more free actions while taking another action normally. However, there are reasonable limits on what you can really do for free, as decided by the GM.
You're quoting the text immediately under "Action Types". If you scroll down to where it describes the free action in more detail, you'll see where it's written. Just Ctrl+F "rarely incur".
You're quoting the text immediately under "Action Types". If you scroll down to where it describes the free action in more detail, you'll see where it's written. Just Ctrl+F "rarely incur".Where are you quoting from? The PRD has no language about rarely provoking.
Free Action: Free actions consume a very small amount of time and effort. You can perform one or more free actions while taking another action normally. However, there are reasonable limits on what you can really do for free, as decided by the GM.
Yep I found it. Thanks :)
The rule about not provoking for casting a spell as a free action is a vestige of 3.5. It was written before swift and immediate actions were invented. Quicken spell and feather fall are examples of when the rule would be relevant.
Perhaps in 3.5, but as written for Pathfinder it does not prevent attacks of opportunity from incurring against swift or immediate action spells unless it specifically says it does. Quicken is fine though as the feat specifically says they do not provoke.
Right, I should have specified those are examples of when the rule would be relevant in 3.5.The rule about not provoking for casting a spell as a free action is a vestige of 3.5. It was written before swift and immediate actions were invented. Quicken spell and feather fall are examples of when the rule would be relevant.Perhaps in 3.5, but as written for Pathfinder it does not prevent attacks of opportunity from incurring against swift or immediate action spells unless it specifically says it does. Quicken is fine though as the feat specifically says they do not provoke.
Fair enough. I thought you meant that it still applied to Pathfinder.
Actions which normally provoke don't usually provoke as a free action.
I'm not sure where that is said. From what I've read regarding free actions provoking:
1. Free action spells do not provoke - 3.5 remnant that does nothing.
2. The "free actions rarely provoke" phrase that seems to me to be referring to the specific actions directly after it (talking, dropping a weapon, ceasing concentration, dropping prone), not all free actions in general.
It sounds a lot like those "standard" free actions don't provoke, and the "rarely invokes" statement is making that clear, but more exotic free actions certainly do if they specifically do something that provokes.
There is not general rule about a free action not provoking. The ability in question therefore should directly state that ____ does not provoke. Of course it could be an oversight, but abilities that provoke still do so as a free action unless otherwise stated.