Shaman Rebuild For PFS post-ACG

[Sammy T]

I saw this in another thread, had a similar question and decided to post it here:

Pre-ACG, my Shaman was summoning focused (Spell Focus: Conjuration, Augment Summoning, Superior Summoning). The final ACG removed summoning spells from their spell list entirely--previously the Shaman had Summon Monster in playtest round 1, then Summon Nature's Ally in round 2.

Would I be eligible for free retrains on those feats as they were specifically taken to boost spells I no longer can cast?

I believe the answer would be yes, but who knows...

[Jeffrey Fox]

Strictest reading of the Guide and Additional Resources would say no. The guide only allows you to update your class so that it matches the current rules for the class. Changing feat selections is not currently covered by that.

Unless the rebuild rules get updated, you'll need Ultimate Campaigns rebuild rules by the strictest reading.

[Markov Spiked Chain]

You might be able to pick the spells back up with Wandering Spirit (Lore) or some of the new favored class bonuses, depending on your race.

I'm surprised at how sparse the Shaman list is compared to either oracle or witch. There are more new witch spells in ACG than new Shaman spells, even though they're both full casters.

[SCPRedMage]

Markov Spiked Chain wrote:

You might be able to pick the spells back up with Wandering Spirit (Lore) or some of the new favored class bonuses, depending on your race.

I'm surprised at how sparse the Shaman list is compared to either oracle or witch. There are more new witch spells in ACG than new Shaman spells, even though they're both full casters.

A better option would be the Nature spirit's Friend to Animals hex, which allows the shaman to spontaneously cast summon nature's ally spells as a druid. This option isn't bound by Int score for the spell level, and doesn't rely on Cha mod for how many spells you can choose.

That said, this is a specific case that might warrant a specific ruling to override the standard practices.

[Finlanderboy]

Sammy T wrote:

I saw this in another thread, had a similar question and decided to post it here:

Pre-ACG, my Shaman was summoning focused (Spell Focus: Conjuration, Augment Summoning, Superior Summoning). The final ACG removed summoning spells from their spell list entirely--previously the Shaman had Summon Monster in playtest round 1, then Summon Nature's Ally in round 2.

Would I be eligible for free retrains on those feats as they were specifically taken to boost spells I no longer can cast?

I believe the answer would be yes, but who knows...

This is a something again I find idiotic with the obstinate rule change rules.

The reason court systems have judges is to realize when laws are errenous. Why doesn't PFS see this?

You now have a character feats behind unless you are taxed to recover it. So then you are behing other resources.

[Dylos]

As far as I am aware, no other class Edit: Bloodrager had it's list changed between playtest phases, playtest or otherwise, has ever had it's spell list changed, and thus I believe that there needs to be a specific ruling on what happens when a spell list is changed.

The Shaman actually had it's list changed twice first it was a modified cleric list, then a modified druid list, and now its it's own list.

[Andrew Christian]

If the class changed so fundamentally that feat choices are no longer valid, pick new feats.

[David_Bross]

The current rule follows from the ACG guidelines of simply updating, and not rebuilding. The best thing to do is to park your current character until guidelines on rebuilds come down. John Compton understands that there are questions regarding this.