Warpriest or Cleric / Oracle


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I've been weighing the pros and cons of both classes for a Mythic campaign. I know full casters are powerful. At the same time casting up to 6th level spells while doing amazing physical damage is a powerful combination as well.

Which class do you think would do better against a majority of creatures?

1. Demon Lords: I've been looking at demon lords. They are immune to a lot. They have an incredibly high SR. It seems like a caster would have major problems against a demon lord for a variety of reasons, especially a mythic demon lord.

2. Casters can wipe out large numbers of enemies far quicker than physical damage dealers. There's not much better than AoE damage or save or suck spells for eliminating large numbers of enemies. Some of the mythic powers allow for a crazy area on save or done spells. Not sure that is clerics or oracles.

3. Casters have more versatile defensive options. Do 7th to 9th level spells have a greater advantage for defensive options than 1st to 6th on the cleric spell list? I'm not so sure.

Would have far superior combat ability as a warpriest trump having 7th to 9th level spells as a cleric oracle in a mythic campaign? What do you think?


1) clerics have a LOT of ways to handle outsiders like demon lords thanks to human, teifling, or assiamr human favored bonus and are decent at it even without those racial bonuses.

2) your correct about casters having AoEs and save or sucks. This means that they will do far more damage than a martial based character against everything but really strong and single enemies. but when this occurs you can use things like madness domain, bestow curse, visions of hell, and such to just make em utterly pointless to combat. You can rarely do both REALLY well but with the new ecclisthreurge this is more than possible now. EDIT: clerics are arguably the BEST blasters in the whole game. Yeah arcane casters have more types of blasting but cleric has much better saves, 33% more health, channeling, and other goods. Only a few arcane blasters can do something that a cleric could not (fire snake being the most obvious).

3) 7 to 9th spells are usually not too defensive in nature, even as a cleric. And in my opinion being defensive at those levels is BAD as you are rarely able to layer your defenses strongly enough to cover everything well enough; some can like a superstitious barbarian but then their offense suffers as they are melee only. Heres a thought for comparison... If your level 18 warpriest can single handedly beat the clerics superior summoned 6 bebiliths all on his own then still have anything left to fight the cleric then we can talk specifics. till then id always go full caster when comparing "whose better".


You might be right. I was mapping out a holy blaster that managed to get holy word 10 to 14 levels above my own level. Then I was looking at Mythic holy word that will had my mythic tier against non-mythic creatures. So I could get holy word up to 10 levels higher than my levels. If you reach mythic tier 10, an armor of non-mythic balor lords could show up and you would obliterate them with a holy word requiring two saves.

Maybe I should go with full caster. I think I'm going to do an Oracle of life focusing on holy word that gets the Divine Protection feat. I think that will be insanely powerful.

Grand Lodge

If it is for mythic then pick what you want to play. Mythic is broken and in favor of the players.You will find it hard to loose.

That being said your comparing a tier 1 cleric to lesser tier classes. The cleis ic at high levels will always be strongest out of the choices you picked.

But early levels a warpriest is a super strong choice. I feel though that the warpriest was designed for PFS so newer players can enjoy that combat priest role without having to play a battle cleric. warpriest Is a nice new flavor. I like it for what it does. But levels 13+ your never going to be better then a tier 1 class.


Fruian Thistlefoot wrote:

If it is for mythic then pick what you want to play. Mythic is broken and in favor of the players.You will find it hard to loose.

That being said your comparing a tier 1 cleric to lesser tier classes. The cleis ic at high levels will always be strongest out of the choices you picked.

But early levels a warpriest is a super strong choice. I feel though that the warpriest was designed for PFS so newer players can enjoy that combat priest role without having to play a battle cleric. warpriest Is a nice new flavor. I like it for what it does. But levels 13+ your never going to be better then a tier 1 class.

Depends on the oracle. Oracle of Life I've found to be as strong as the cleric. And maybe Oracle of Heavens. Other Oracles not so much. The lack of channeling hurts as well as less casting versatility (unless you're human). The Oracle of Life makes up for it with some very powerful revelations. If you do manage to make it to 20 (and I did on my last Oracle of Life), you are extremely hard to harm.

Mythic should eliminate some of the casting versatility problems. That will be nice.

Grand Lodge

A oracle may be able to outheal a cleric. Healing is weak when you can create a plane and destroy your old one. Then next day come along and be better at fighting then the fighter. Only way for a normal oracle to compete with a cleric is by taking the eldritch heritage feat.

Mythic help bring the oracle up to par with a normal cleric. But a mythic cleric still craps on the mythic oracle.


The Cleric is the all-around best class, BUT...

A Warpriest is effectively Paizo's version of the Favored Soul. That means a lot more combat tricks.

A lv20 Human Warpriest has 21 Feats (22 if you go Unarmed), 7 of which are Combat Feats.

A lv20 Human Cleric has 11.

You play a Warpriest less like a full-caster (ala the Druid, Oracle, Shaman, or Cleric), and more like a Divine counter to the Magus (a true mage-knight).

The real parallel is with the Inquisitor.

Both get 17 Feats natively; the Inquisitor gets more Spells if you're a Human; the Warpriest gets 3 more Combat Feats if you're a Human.

Weigh the options between those two and you're better off.

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