sniper archetype for the slayer, deadly range is worthless


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The sniper archetype gets the Deadly Range class feature at second level (replacing your level 2 talent), and it increases the range of your sneak attack by 10 feet... sounds great (the base class can't choose the Deadly Range slayer talent until level 4, which is after you get sneak attack), but then you read the rest of the rules in that ability and it gets a bit odd. It states that you can forgo a slayer talent to instead increase the range of your sneak attack by 5 feet.

now, the Deadly Range talent increases your sneak attack range by 10 feet and can be purchased multiple times (it stacks), making this class feature (which doesn't say that it stacks with the deadly range talent, so RAW is it doesn't) rather inferior! (at level 6 you will have the same benefit by purchasing Deadly Range twice as well as an extra ability from your level 2 talent, and at level 8 your range is 5ft greater from purchasing the Deadly Range talent as opposed to dumping points into the Archetype ability)

should this class feature instead be "whenever you are able to select a new slayer talent the range at which you are able to make sneak attacks goes up by 5 feet" or "stacks with the Deadly Range slayer talent"?


Its based on the Rogue archetype of the same name. Honestly, the Sniper Goggles is what you wanna shoot for. 20k grants you SA at any range.


Is it a typo? Because yeah I was just looking at it and its really pointless.


Which rule states that range increases do not stack? Without such a rule, they would stack, as each ability increases the range rather than replacing it.

Silver Crusade

The Sniper archetype for Rogue states:

PRD wrote:
Deadly Range (Ex): At 3rd level, a sniper increases the range at which she can apply her sneak attack damage by 10 feet. This range increases by 10 feet for every 3 levels after 3rd. This ability replaces trap sense.

How does this relate to the Slayer archetype versions?

D3my: I had a hard time reading your post. Is there a slayer talent -and- a class feature? Did you use the right name each time?


D3my wrote:
(which doesn't say that it stacks with the deadly range talent, so RAW is it doesn't)

I'm sorry but that is totally against the definition of RAW. Is the rule is not written then it is not RAW.


I don't see why Paizo continues to make stuff like this so punitive, ESPECIALLY given that Sniper Goggles exist.

At the very least, the archetype should scale automatically and probably not replace anything (or eat up an extra talent slot at, say, level 10 and be done with it). Gaining +10 feet/2 levels to your SA range isn't all that amazing even before considering how difficult it can be to land ranged sneak attacks.

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@DesolateHarmony
The archetype class feature and the Slayer Talent are both named the same thing.

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