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If you like reach weapons then the best build is crossblooded with aberrant at level 4 and abyssal at level 8 (you use that order because you can cast enlarge person before level 8). With that you get a 25' reach. Take greater trip and smile while people ooh and aah.
I made an aberrant build during the playtest for a friend, and it was already overpowered like crazy. Giving her the ability to enlarge at the start of rage instead of spending an extra round to do it is just that much better.
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Crossblooded rager - INSANELY STRONG but the -4 to will saves is just colossal and i'm not sure I could live with it. Literally.
Lol, no your teammates can't live with it literally:) I don't think its worth it.
I had planned on taking the primalist for my guy but its banned. It was really the only archetype I really liked, metamagic rager MAY be really strong, haven't done enough number crunching but it seems like it had some potential.
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Crossblooded rager - INSANELY STRONG but the -4 to will saves is just colossal and i'm not sure I could live with it. Literally.Lol, no your teammates can't live with it literally:) I don't think its worth it.
I had planned on taking the primalist for my guy but its banned. It was really the only archetype I really liked, metamagic rager MAY be really strong, haven't done enough number crunching but it seems like it had some potential.
There are plenty of ways to get around a low will save. Clear spindle ioun stone inside a wayfinder comes to mind as a relatively cheap, always active option.
There is literally zero downside to playing a Primalist. You only give up those bloodline abilities you think suck for TWO rage powers. It's my opinion that a Primalist Untouchable Bloodrager is just a Barbarian only better!
Crossblooded rager - INSANELY STRONG but the -4 to will saves is just colossal and i'm not sure I could live with it. Literally.
Where does it say you get a -4 on Will? Taking a close look at it, since I made a crossblooded/untouchable rager, all it says is a -2 for being crossblooded, and even then it'll cancel itself out by level 20, and as long as you don't have a really low Wis score, a -2 isn't really as bad as a lot of people may think. In the current campaign that I'm in, my character has a really good Will save and has rarely used it so far, mostly ends up using Fort and Ref. If it's really a problem for you, the Abberant, Celestial, Arcane, and Undead bloodlines give you Iron Will as a bonus feat that would negate the penalty by level 7.
Crossblooded rager - INSANELY STRONG but the -4 to will saves is just colossal and i'm not sure I could live with it. Literally.Where does it say you get a -4 on Will? Taking a close look at it, since I made a crossblooded/untouchable rager, all it says is a -2 for being crossblooded, and even then it'll cancel itself out by level 20, and as long as you don't have a really low Wis score, a -2 isn't really as bad as a lot of people may think. In the current campaign that I'm in, my character has a really good Will save and has rarely used it so far, mostly ends up using Fort and Ref. If it's really a problem for you, the Abberant, Celestial, Arcane, and Undead bloodlines give you Iron Will as a bonus feat that would negate the penalty by level 7.
You take a -2 penalty on will saves, and lose out on the +2 bonus you normally get while bloodraging.
To me, that just means you're not getting an extra bonus that isn't in the normal class save progression and the only penalty is the -2 for being crossblooded. Just the way I see it in my opinion.
And I think that the Untouchable Rager can be a lot better than some might think. Bloodragers, imho, get crappy spell progression, both in spells known and in spells per day, so I myself would love to have the spell resistance, especially since it's with your full level and not 1/2 like a lot of spell resistances I've seen out there. But that's with my play style, and I know that there are/will be a lot of really epic builds who properly utilize their spell selection.
Untouchable and crossblooded can't be stacked, both modify bloodline spells.
Personally, I'm not a fan of the untouchable archetype at all. Spell Resistance can easily be a double-edged sword by blocking friendly spells, which the untouchable bloodrager needs a lot more than other bloodragers since he gave up a lot of his ability to self-buff by taking the archetype.
I'd say the superstition-barbarian is a lot better at filling the same niche. You can always rage-cycle/wait to rage to get around the friendly spells issue, while Untouchable Bloodragers eventually get always-on SR.
If you crossblood Celestial and Undead taking the 1st power from Celestial and the 4th from Undead you basically get Holy and then Ghost Touch for all of your melee attacks which frees up room for other enchanments on the weapon.
wait why is primalist? A primalist/untouchable rager with the arcane bloodline is probably one of the best things you can do.
It's for PFS Primalist is banned in PFS.
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If you crossblood Celestial and Undead taking the 1st power from Celestial and the 4th from Undead you basically get Holy and then Ghost Touch for all of your melee attacks which frees up room for other enchanments on the weapon.
Frees up room for other enchantments? Um... no. You already break alignment DR (ALL alignments, not just good) with a +5 base weapon (which means +3 furious). After that there's no reason to spend ~20k gold to do a little extra damage to incorporeals unless you're in an undead heavy campaign. You're not freeing up anything. You're just making your character weaker by giving up better options.
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Try stacking Archetypes. There's a solid case to be made for using Crossblooded with Steelblooded and Untouchable. You wear heavy armor, have SR while raging, and can pick Arcane/anything else for the ability to apply Buffs when entering bloodrage. These are applied automatically, so you don't need to cast spells in order to do it.
If you are going aberrant with an aberrant tumor familiar with the protector archetype, then Spelleater becomes about twice as helpful.
two years man, pretty sure he's not still needing advice.
Probably, but if one person googled up this old thread for advice, then some other person probably will too. Posting towards posterity.
I'm sort of perplexed by the crossblooded Abyssal/Aberrant suggestion. What exactly is Abyssal getting you there? Claws? Resistance? I'm not sure if Resist: 5 is worth a -4 Will penalty.
I think I'd rather stack Arcane and Abyssal if I'm going to go crossblooded.
Abyssal is for "Demonic Bulk (Su): At 4th level, when entering a bloodrage, you can choose to grow one size category larger than your base size (as enlarge person) even if you aren’t humanoid."
Abyssal is for "Demonic Bulk (Su): At 4th level, when entering a bloodrage, you can choose to grow one size category larger than your base size (as enlarge person) even if you aren’t humanoid."
Oh, okay, so you're taking the level 4 abyssal power at level 8. Gotcha.
That's the idea, though personally, I hate taking that effective -4 to will saves as crossblooded. You could also cross aberrant with black blood to get a 15 foot reach while staying medium, and then still cast enlarge person on yourself.
When I played an Aberrant bloodrager I found there were a lot of situations where I didn't cast enlarge person because there wasn't a lot of space available (and, using a reach weapon, I didn't want that big donut hole in close quarters.) So I think that Aberrant/Black Blood is a safer options for "you want silly reach", then you can get big (via spell) when you want to.
Crossblooded bloodrager isn't especially safe anyway though.
No love for the Blood Conduit? You can drop stuff like Rime Frostbite, Frigid Touch and Shocking Grasp with a swift action after making an unarmed strike. You don't even need to be a primary unarmed strike user; you can wield whatever you want to normally, and just make a single unarmed strike whenever you want to swift-spell something.
Or you can get fancy with something like... Draconic Blood Conduit 7 - Improved Unarmed Strike, Two-Weapon Fighting, Dragon Style, Rime Spell. Furious longsword +1, Furious Bodywrap of Mighty Strikes +1.
Charge: Dragon Style unarmed strike / Swift Frigid Touch.
AoO: two-handed longsword.
Full Attack: Dragon Style Unarmed Strike / Swift Rime Frostbite / one-handed longsword / one-handed longsword / Claw Attack (Rime Frostbite).
I really love the destined and the arcana bloodine, while the crossblooded looks terrible to me, -4 will save is a real nightmare.
Destined is a solid choice imho, maybe with the Steelblood archetype, for a quite sturdy frontline hero.
The arcana ability to cast free spells when entering a bloodrage is awesome and probably worth pick the bloodine even only for those powers..