Brawler and Braid of a Hundred Masters

[Soleam]

So I was going over the brawler character. I was overlooking the Martial Training(Ex): At 1st level, a brawler counts her total brawler levels as both fighter levels and monk levels for the purpose of qualifying for feats. She also counts as both a fighter and a monk for feats and magic items that have different effects based on whether the character has levels in those classes (such as Stunning Fist and a monk's robe). The ability does not automatically grants feats normally granted to fighters and monks base on class level, namely Stunning Fist.

Then I look to the Braid of a Hundred Masters: If the wearer of this necklace has levels in monk his fast movement and unarmed damage are treated as a monk of 3 levels higher. If the character is not a monk, he gains the fast movement and unarmed damage of a 3rd-level monk. This fast movement functions just like a monk's fast movement class feature. These bonuses do no stack with hose granted by the other items effects. In addition, as a swift action three times per day, a character with the flurry of blows classes feature can use the Braid of a Hundred Master to apply 1-1/2 time his strength bonus on damage rolls for the successful attacks made with flurry of blows. This ability must be activated before the damage from the attack is rolled, through may be activated after the attack roll is made before the damage roll, If this ability is activated it's effect lasts for 1 round.

So if my brawler has the Braid of a Hundred Masters is he treated as a level 1 brawler and a level 3 monk or is his attacks treated as a level 4 brawler for unarmed strikes table? I would like to hear your input on if this is wrong or does it change the damage value for unarmed brawler or not.

[Forty2]

I would add three to your Brawler level for the unarmed damage, since the monk's robe (another item which enhances unarmed damage) is specifically listed as an example.

However, since Brawler doesn't have Fast Movement to begin with, that's trickier. Brawler's don't get fastmovement to start, so saying "this braid allows me to move an additional 30'!" would be absurd. I would say treat that bonus as through you were a third-level monk (10' enhancement).

[Starglim]

To me the easiest reading is that he has unarmed damage and fast movement as a 4th level monk.

It's highly unlikely that a 1st level brawler can afford this item, but a similar question could come up for a 4th level brawler, who might.

[wraithstrike]

The brawler counts as a monk for the purpose of qualifying for feats. However, he does not gain unarmed strike damage dice that counts as monk levels because his unarmed strike damage does not call out the monk class.

However if you are not asking for PFS I see nothing wrong with allowing it to count the brawler as 3 levels higher for the purpose of unarmed strike damage dice.

He is treated as a level 1 brawler and a level 3 monk.

[Soleam]

wraithstrike wrote:

The brawler counts as a monk for the purpose of qualifying for feats. However, he does not gain unarmed strike damage dice that counts as monk levels because his unarmed strike damage does not call out the monk class.

However if you are not asking for PFS I see nothing wrong with allowing it to count the brawler as 3 levels higher for the purpose of unarmed strike damage dice.

He is treated as a level 1 brawler and a level 3 monk.

Yes it's for PFS I just finished The Quest for Perfection set. I'm going to be level brawler 3 next Saturday. I want it to be made legal as possible. It was confusing to read it to see if I would be a higher level in unarmed dice damage. It would be nice to be a level 3 brawler with +3 level to dice it would bump me up from 1d6 to 1d8.

[Secret Wizard]

Not worth it imo. That's +1 damage.

[TGMaxMaxer]

If you're going to be focusing on unarmed, it isn't worth it since it takes up your AoMF slot.

It was a poorly designed item that only helps weapon monks that get to sub in their unarmed damage (like zen archer and such).

If instead you are a brawler who uses weapons with the (level-4) option, it is decent for you.

[9mm]

Brawler levels = Monk levels. If the +3 gets you to your next Uarmed dice, you get it.

You don't have fast movement, so you count as a level 3 monk and gain 10 move speed.

Brawler's flurry does not count as flurry of blows. (even though it totally should)

so in total its not amazing, but not awful.

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If you're going to be focusing on unarmed, it isn't worth it since it takes up your AoMF slot.

Given that Rope Gauntlets, Cetus, and Brass knuckles all exist AoMF is never needed.

[TGMaxMaxer]

9mm... all those use the normal weapon damage they were all errata'd to not go off of your unarmed strike damage, so they cap at a d3/d4 for a monk using them.

The new exception being that the Brawler specifically gets his unarmed damage of level-4 on close weapon group, but until the ACG came out it was a choice for unarmed characters of Unarmed damage dice and AoMF enchant costs, or d3/d4 weapon dice plus normal weapon enchant costs.