Ustalavic Duelist / Aldori Swordlord with Amateur Panache?

[Major_Blackhart]

I've never done dex based fighters before, always been a pretty hardcore strength guy.
However, I'm really curious about this one. Ustalavic Duelist has some great flavor to it that I love, and while the fighter archetype doesn't outright appeal to me, I've always looked for ways to make these sorts of things more interesting.
I'm also always interested in pushing the rules to their limit I guess, a way of testing what works with what doesn't, both for flavor and for maximum gamer fun.
Anyway, back to the point of this. How much does Amateur Panache and investing further in Panache styles actually improve the Ustalavic Duelist?
An afterthought is the Aldori Swordlord. What about that guy? Would this work with him? I ask because with the proper feats, the Aldori Dueling sword can be considered a one handed piercing weapon.
Overall, there are some great possibilities, and I'm just wondering if it will improve the character classes with BOTH flavor and ability.

Thanks a bunch in advance.

[leo1925]

What fighter archetype?
What does Amatuer Panache does?

I don't think that the aldori swordlord archetype is worth it (it gives up armor training in a build that uses too much dexterity and it slows your weapon training).

[zapbib]

The new swashbuckler class is a fairly strait upgrade for the ustalavic Duelist.

Only The first level of aldori swordlord is realy worth it as it gives you dex to damage and some ac and init when you use the dueling sword. In theory its not a bad strategy, the main problem is the dueling sword get a 19-20 crit range while a swashbuckler likes 18-20.Also, a swordord prestige class requires the loss of a class level and cannot be taken until level 6 at minimum, this makes it a very long wait to get this dex-to-damage.

Check with your dm however as dueling mastery only make the dueling sword piercing for the purpose of the duelist prestige class ability by raw. But a lot of people would probably agree to extend it to the swashbuckler finesse.

An idea for a build:
daring champion (5), aldori swordlord (1)
get the order of the cockatrice for free dazzling display. You need 2 feat for proficiency and focus and you got 2 feat open for whatever you want. Trip and combat reflexes can be cool.

Amateur swashbuckler is a trap, the only first level deed that is worth anything is opportune parry and riposte, with one panache point you wont use it much however.

[Major_Blackhart]

Interesting. That's good to know.

Overall, like I said, I've never been much for a dex to damage fighter, always strength. More fun that way. But I'm always looking for ways to expand on the fighter class. That's why I ask about this.
Currently working on the Mutation Warrior and working on ways to make him bad to the bone. Might take the Orc Bloodline Eldritch Heritage and that lesser bloodrage feat, giving him an interesting boost to his abilities.