You've discovered that MoMS is the greatest dip in this entire game. Welcome to the party.
Edit: Sacred Fist is the only worth while thing that's come out of Warpriest it seems. And it still sucks because they don't get domains...
For added fun you can take crusader's flurry with no problem with this class. Flurry a Scythe? Why not. Flurry a Scimitar and Dervish dance with it? Go for it.
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I hope that if this becomes a common option, they decide to nerf MoMS instead of another Crane Wing debacle. Similarly, I won't be using the MoMS double-dip sillyness for Pummeling Charge. Maybe for Dragon Style, because the ability is completely balanced at Tenth level[assuming 2 levels of MoMS], compared to the 5th level spells slinging about.
I completely agree I've made a metric crap ton of unarmed characters that use styles in various ways and Dragon Style+Pummeling Style=Insane is already glaringly apparent. And yeah I wouldn't even bother using pummeling style with a weapon. "a punch" seems pretty definitive intention to me. I was just pointing out some more fun stuff you could do with that class because I'm excited about the ACG.
And yes. They basically fixed the monk. "The monk makes a bad skirmisher" was a prime complaint. Now it makes one of the best skirmishers.
And of course. Unarmed Fighters(Two weapon warriors, Bralwers, and unarmed fighters) can be pretty crazy with this, as well as barbarian, bloodragers, and Brawlers. They all just need a 1 level dip in MoMS.
Don't forget, double wis bonus to AC! :)
I love this multiclass combo. Gives you back flurry too. ^_^
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Don't forget, double wis bonus to AC! :)
I love this multiclass combo. Gives you back flurry too. ^_^
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Hehehehehehe....
My worry is just a pouncing 7 attacks (focused into 1) with 1.5x str dmg. Outside of the perma-banned Synthesist archetype- was something like this normal before?
Eh, 7 attacks, thats only at around level 16, and the casters are throwing around 8th level spells. Is hitting 4 times worth an 8th level spell?
Basically, it doesn't allow you to make more attacks than you could normally make, just allows you to skirmish with it. The crit thing is nice, but if it is unarmed only, it isn't a concern until higher level.
Also, mistake, its 2.5x Str Mod with Horn of the Criosphinx on a charge.
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It's just clustered shots for unarmed strikes.
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Yeah I think the problem is going to stem from MoMS being balanced because it takes away flurry- and there being 2 more options to get flurry now. If they reword MoMS to where it simply can't be used with a flurry I think everything would be fixed.
As far as 8th level spells are concerned- I always see that argument in the forums but not in action. Wizards are the best outside of combat and pretty good in combat, definitely worthy of T1 class, but what is a 8th level spell going to do to a Balor- When this guy could one round it- and then do it again the next round, and again? In 3.5 there were a ton of Save or die spells- in PF they are few and far between and really hard to pull off.
Don't get me wrong, I'll take a wizard on my team any day to create a timeless plane for unlimited crafting (also end game ridiculousness) And the myriad of other things wizards are good with. But if I want to punch evil in the face- 7 attacks at 1.5 str mod with no buffs is pretty broken.
I'd rather see MoMS be reworded so that at the first 2 levels, you could only take the base style feat, then at 6th level you could take the 2nd feat and Tenth[?] you could take any of them. Puts a bit of the weight in the class, and encourages the use of Fuse STyles at lower level.
I'd rather see MoMS be reworded so that at the first 2 levels, you could only take the base style feat, then at 6th level you could take the 2nd feat and Tenth[?] you could take any of them. Puts a bit of the weight in the class, and encourages the use of Fuse STyles at lower level.Yeah I think the problem is going to stem from MoMS being balanced because it takes away flurry- and there being 2 more options to get flurry now. If they reword MoMS to where it simply can't be used with a flurry I think everything would be fixed.
As far as 8th level spells are concerned- I always see that argument in the forums but not in action. Wizards are the best outside of combat and pretty good in combat, definitely worthy of T1 class, but what is a 8th level spell going to do to a Balor- When this guy could one round it- and then do it again the next round, and again? In 3.5 there were a ton of Save or die spells- in PF they are few and far between and really hard to pull off.
Don't get me wrong, I'll take a wizard on my team any day to create a timeless plane for unlimited crafting (also end game ridiculousness) And the myriad of other things wizards are good with. But if I want to punch evil in the face- 7 attacks at 1.5 str mod with no buffs is pretty broken.
That 'fix' puts the MoMS slightly behind most other classes for styles. The vast majority have base feat entry at levels 1-3, second feat at levels 5-6, and last feat at 8-10. There are a few exceptions, notably the elemental styles.