No he wasn't convicted, though his wife was. He has admitted to the setting of bombs and the other illegal activities.But still my point was to commit crimes in the name of a movement, so Universities will hire you later.
I think she works (worked?) as a law professor in later life. In the future, you might want to use her as a better example.
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Of course their plan to bomb an NCO dance at Ft. Dix only failed because members blew themselves up making the bombs.
Assuming that they weren't going to call ahead for that too.
And of course there is the 28 police injured in riots in Chicago
Riots well worth having.
the attempted assassination of a NY State Supreme Court Justice
Bombs outside of his house and spraypaint on his sidewalk. Again, doesn't sound like they were trying to kill anyone.
No he wasn't convicted, though his wife was. He has admitted to the setting of bombs and the other illegal activities.
If you weren't doing something illegal in the 60's then you weren't rebelling.
Of course their plan to bomb an NCO dance at Ft. Dix only failed because members blew themselves up making the bombs.Assuming that they weren't going to call ahead for that too.
And of course there is the 28 police injured in riots in ChicagoRiots well worth having.
the attempted assassination of a NY State Supreme Court JusticeBombs outside of his house and spraypaint on his sidewalk. Again, doesn't sound like they were trying to kill anyone.
No he wasn't convicted, though his wife was. He has admitted to the setting of bombs and the other illegal activities.If you weren't doing something illegal in the 60's then you weren't rebelling.
Lots of peaceful protests that didn't involve illegal activities in the '60s.
Certainly good to have riots over a court case, where all the defendants were eventually acquitted of all charges!
BTW fire bombs have this odd way of spreading.
They were also fairly incompetent. Claiming responsibility for an explosion that didn't happen, and they didn't send a warning about. The bomb, unexploded, was found later by a janitor.
You can make all the excuses you want, but he led an organization that caused injuries to many people, the damage and destruction of both public and private property, and the deaths of at least three people, not counting deaths caused by associated groups and former members. Much of the private property damage was done to people that had nothing to do with what they protesting, they just happened to live on the wrong street or park their car on the wrong street on the wrong day.
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You can make all the excuses you want, but he led an organization that caused injuries to many people, the damage and destruction of both public and private property, and the deaths of at least three people, not counting deaths caused by associated groups and former members. Much of the private property damage was done to people that had nothing to do with what they protesting, they just happened to live on the wrong street or park their car on the wrong street on the wrong day.
We have a country founded on the principle of violent rebellion against an oppressive government. In the 60s the government was waaaaay worse to its own people than the british were to the colonists, especially if you were black, of prime m 16 carrying age, or gods help you both.
What you're angry about is someone that was fighting for a good cause, actively tried to keep the casualties to a minimum, and oddly enough was human so he didn't do it perfectly and three people died. As opposed to say, Dick Cheney collecting speakers fees from universities when he deliberately cooked the information so the oil company that was paying him could make oodles of money in iraq and at least 100,000 civilians got killed.
It seems to me that your only objection is that he didn't work within the system. Property damage to innocent people just doesn't compare.
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Oliver North gets book deals and employed by Fox News.
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Lots of peaceful protests that didn't involve illegal activities in the '60s.
Yeah, and those peaceful protests were STILL met by riot police.
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Oliver North gets book deals and employed by Fox News.
Or, ya know. G. Gordon Liddy, for a long time one of the most successful conservative talk show hosts. Successful author, FOX contributor Actually went to jail as one of the men who broke into the DNC headquarters in the Watergate Hotel. Some of you might remember the scandal.
Now if the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms comes to disarm you and they are bearing arms, resist them with arms. Go for a head shot; they're going to be wearing bulletproof vests." … "They've got a big target on there, ATF. Don't shoot at that, because they've got a vest on underneath that. Head shots, head shots.... Kill the sons of b!!!!es.
Liddy encouraging people to disobey the law and kill federal law enforcement officers, coaching them on how to more effectively do so.
You can make all the excuses you want, but he led an organization that caused injuries to many people, the damage and destruction of both public and private property, and the deaths of at least three people, not counting deaths caused by associated groups and former members. Much of the private property damage was done to people that had nothing to do with what they protesting, they just happened to live on the wrong street or park their car on the wrong street on the wrong day.
We have a country founded on the principle of violent rebellion against an oppressive government. In the 60s the government was waaaaay worse to its own people than the british were to the colonists, especially if you were black, of prime m 16 carrying age, or gods help you both.
What you're angry about is someone that was fighting for a good cause, actively tried to keep the casualties to a minimum, and oddly enough was human so he didn't do it perfectly and three people died. As opposed to say, Dick Cheney collecting speakers fees from universities when he deliberately cooked the information so the oil company that was paying him could make oodles of money in iraq and at least 100,000 civilians got killed.
It seems to me that your only objection is that he didn't work within thep system. Property damage to innocent people just doesn't compare.
A quick question or two. More people drafted in the sixties or fifties? More people drafted per year for Vietnam or Korea?
Answers The fifties, and Korea by a factor of two. Also the population was 40-50 million greater during the Vietnam era than Korea.
BTW Do you have a list of the Universities paying Cheney to speak? I could only find two references to him speaking at Universities, one in 2007 at BYU and a second this year at American University, both private schools. And what do you know Bill Ayers gets paid to give speeches too.
88.4% of the Soldiers serving in Vietnam were Caucasian, at that time 13.5% of the military age population was African-American, so you were more likely as a white person to go to Vietnam than if you weren't.
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A quick question or two.
More people drafted in the sixties or fifties? More people drafted per year for Vietnam or Korea?
Interesting, but a completely irrelevant attempt at diversion. "Government was behaving badly in the 60s" and "Government was behaving worse in he 50s" are not mutually contradictory ideas.
BTW Do you have a list of the Universities paying Cheney to speak? I could only find two references to him speaking at Universities, one in 2007 at BYU and a second this year at American University, both private schools.
So increasing the killing by a factor of 30,000 is fine but heavens forbid they're directly on YOUR tax dollar, as opposed through scholarships, subsidized tuition and tax breaks.
And what do you know Bill Ayers gets paid to give speeches too.
If you think my objection is to speaker fees you are really, really missing the point.
88.4% of the Soldiers serving in Vietnam were Caucasian, at that...
No, because enlistment numbers among blacks were much lower They still wound up in the army at higher rates.
Between 10.5 and 11 or so percent of the population and 14% of the deaths
Oliver North gets book deals and employed by Fox News.Or, ya know. G. Gordon Liddy, for a long time one of the most successful conservative talk show hosts. Successful author, FOX contributor Actually went to jail as one of the men who broke into the DNC headquarters in the Watergate Hotel. Some of you might remember the scandal.
Was that one called Watergate-gate?
Was that one called Watergate-gate?Oliver North gets book deals and employed by Fox News.Or, ya know. G. Gordon Liddy, for a long time one of the most successful conservative talk show hosts. Successful author, FOX contributor Actually went to jail as one of the men who broke into the DNC headquarters in the Watergate Hotel. Some of you might remember the scandal.
A quick question or two.
More people drafted in the sixties or fifties? More people drafted per year for Vietnam or Korea?
Interesting, but a completely irrelevant attempt at diversion. "Government was behaving badly in the 60s" and "Government was behaving worse in he 50s" are not mutually contradictory ideas.
BTW Do you have a list of the Universities paying Cheney to speak? I could only find two references to him speaking at Universities, one in 2007 at BYU and a second this year at American University, both private schools.So increasing the killing by a factor of 30,000 is fine but heavens forbid they're directly on YOUR tax dollar, as opposed through scholarships, subsidized tuition and tax breaks.
And what do you know Bill Ayers gets paid to give speeches too.If you think my objection is to speaker fees you are really, really missing the point.
88.4% of the Soldiers serving in Vietnam were Caucasian, at that...No, because enlistment numbers among blacks were much lower They still wound up in the army at higher rates.
Between 10.5 and 11 or so percent of the population and 14% of the deaths
You can't go by the total population, you have to go by the population that is of military age. 13.5% of the military age population was African-American, you do understand how that varies from the total population? They weren't sending the population that WASN'T of military age. That means that there were more African-Americans in that population group, as opposed to the overall population. Yes a greater percentage of African-Americans died in Vietnam than there percentage that were there. But if you were white and of military age you were more likely to end up going to Vietnam than if you were African-American.
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But if you were white and of military age you were more likely to end up going to Vietnam than if you were African-American.
and more likely to wind up serving in a non bullet sponge capacity. ALso you're completely ignoring the ENLISTMENT rates vs the draft rates. Even by your numbers (which i cannot substantiate) they still wound up dead more often and did so against their will. You're also ignoring that rates of being drafted for blacks were far higher at one point and evened out as the war went on: namely they were drafting blacks at far higher rates and the protests made them change their policy.
This is on top of the racism they faced both in the army and at home, which is a double slap in the face. "Hey! fight for your country. Your country hates you! Fight for it!" And if you didn't like that, screw you we have police.
Your primary complaint with the weather underground seems to be that they worked outside of the system. Which I will never understand as a complaint when you know the system is corrupt.
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But if you were white and of military age you were more likely to end up going to Vietnam than if you were African-American.and more likely to wind up serving in a non bullet sponge capacity. ALso you're completely ignoring the ENLISTMENT rates vs the draft rates. Even by your numbers (which i cannot substantiate) they still wound up dead more often and did so against their will. You're also ignoring that rates of being drafted for blacks were far higher at one point and evened out as the war went on: namely they were drafting blacks at far higher rates and the protests made them change their policy.
This is on top of the racism they faced both in the army and at home, which is a double slap in the face. "Hey! fight for your country. Your country hates you! Fight for it!" And if you didn't like that, screw you we have police.
Your primary complaint with the weather underground seems to be that they worked outside of the system. Which I will never understand as a complaint when you know the system is corrupt.
The draft rates magically evened out when Nixon yanked student deferments.
Ok then, pragmatic villainy may have had more to do with the change than the riots.
Schools get tanks too!
Isn't this the same State where school security can't handle a bottle of pepper spray without having to make F-up payments to both sides?
On the lighter side, I'm sure MRAP abuse would result in some hilarious internet memes.
Definitely under armored for some of the schools around here.