If I have a trait that lets me use Int for diplomacy, do I still consider diplomacy a Cha based check?


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For instance if I got an ability that says you get this boost to charisma based checks, would that still apply to my diplomacy skill even though I don't use charisma for it?

Grand Lodge

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Since no such ability exists in the Paizo rules that I know of, you're going to have to come out and get specific with your question. What is the context for both parts of your question?


This has recently been FAQ'ed, so this should be the answer you're looking for.

LazarX wrote:
Since no such ability exists in the Paizo rules that I know of, you're going to have to come out and get specific with your question. What is the context for both parts of your question?

The trait "Clever Wordplay" can do this.


That FAQ definitely covered it.

Grand Lodge

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Mexcalibur wrote:

This has recently been FAQ'ed, so this should be the answer you're looking for.

LazarX wrote:
Since no such ability exists in the Paizo rules that I know of, you're going to have to come out and get specific with your question. What is the context for both parts of your question?
The trait "Clever Wordplay" can do this.

That trait replaces Cha with Int. It does not boost Cha with Int as the OP's text implies. If that's what he's asking about, then that's all the trait does. It has no other impact. It does make the Circlet of Persuasion useless for Diplomacy.

If the trait substitutes Int for Cha, then Diplomacy is no longer a Cha based skill for the character.

Grand Lodge

LazarX wrote:
Mexcalibur wrote:

This has recently been FAQ'ed, so this should be the answer you're looking for.

LazarX wrote:
Since no such ability exists in the Paizo rules that I know of, you're going to have to come out and get specific with your question. What is the context for both parts of your question?
The trait "Clever Wordplay" can do this.
That trait replaces Cha with Int. It does not boost Cha with Int as the OP's text implies. If that's what he's asking about, then that's all the trait does. It has no other impact. It does make the Circlet of Persuasion useless for Diplomacy.

His wording isn't plain enough, but between the title and his question I don't think he meant "boost" how you interpreted it. It looks like he meant it as in "the boost that int gives" as in "what if I use my int instead of cha".


I'm deciding on what faction my new char will join and I was looking at the perks each provide with the new faction cards and one from the silver crusade gave me like a plus 2 on charisma based checks when dealing with those of a good alignment, since I'll be using clever wordplay on diplomacy it got me wondering if it would apply since I use int instead.

That was what made me think of question.


claudekennilol wrote:
LazarX wrote:
Mexcalibur wrote:

This has recently been FAQ'ed, so this should be the answer you're looking for.

LazarX wrote:
Since no such ability exists in the Paizo rules that I know of, you're going to have to come out and get specific with your question. What is the context for both parts of your question?
The trait "Clever Wordplay" can do this.
That trait replaces Cha with Int. It does not boost Cha with Int as the OP's text implies. If that's what he's asking about, then that's all the trait does. It has no other impact. It does make the Circlet of Persuasion useless for Diplomacy.
His wording isn't plain enough, but between the title and his question I don't think he meant "boost" how you interpreted it. It looks like he meant it as in "the boost that int gives" as in "what if I use my int instead of cha".

This is indeed how I read the OP's question, considering he explicitly mentioned not using charisma for the check.


The OP is asking about the trait (use INT) stacking with the circlet of persuasion that gives a boost to all charisma based skill checks.

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder PF Special Edition, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
Chess Pwn wrote:
The OP is asking about the trait (use INT) stacking with the circlet of persuasion that gives a boost to all charisma based skill checks.

See my reply above.


Oh I know and agree it's correct. I'm just giving an example of when it could have come up

Dark Archive

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Another area this gets weird is that changing things into Charisma checks from other checks permits you to apply the Circlet. For example, Lore Oracle using Cha instead of Int for knowledge skills, or Noble Scion of War using Cha instead of Dex for initiative.


Akari Sayuri "Tiger Lily" wrote:
Another area this gets weird is that changing things into Charisma checks from other checks permits you to apply the Circlet. For example, Lore Oracle using Cha instead of Int for knowledge skills, or Noble Scion of War using Cha instead of Dex for initiative.

It's the super charisma oracle. Charisma to saves and AC, initiative, skills, spells.

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I like to think of it as the balance to the 90% of characters that dump Charisma.

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