Slashing Grace: DEX to Damage, but not Attack Roll?


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Slashing Grace is only usable with a free hand. It cannot be used with two-weapon fighting or in any moment both hands are occupied. It cannot be used with flurry of blows. This restriction is located at the end of the feat entry.

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Necromancy aside, this information is true now. Exactly how much of that was true before the errata (ie when this thread was last active) is something I don't recall.

However, at least as of now, the feat allows for slashing weapons classified as one-handed or light. That's quite a few options. You are correct, though, that the other hand must not be occupied by anything.


Slayer'sCoice wrote:
Slashing Grace is only usable with a free hand. It cannot be used with two-weapon fighting or in any moment both hands are occupied. It cannot be used with flurry of blows. This restriction is located at the end of the feat entry.

Back when the thread was active and alive the feat wasn't errata'd yet and you could TWF with it just fine.

This is one of the reasons it's discouraged to necro a thread. The info in the thread is often outdated by new FAQs or Errata.


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Slayer'sCoice wrote:
Slashing Grace is only usable with a free hand. It cannot be used with two-weapon fighting or in any moment both hands are occupied. It cannot be used with flurry of blows. This restriction is located at the end of the feat entry.

This is false, as Two-Weapon Grace is a thing.

While it enables TWF with DEX/Damage, it also forces a lot of extra nonremovable penalties. The main purpose of the feat is that it allows Slashing Grace while the off hand is occupied.

Villain Codex.


master_marshmallow wrote:
Slayer'sCoice wrote:
Slashing Grace is only usable with a free hand. It cannot be used with two-weapon fighting or in any moment both hands are occupied. It cannot be used with flurry of blows. This restriction is located at the end of the feat entry.

This is false, as Two-Weapon Grace is a thing.

While it enables TWF with DEX/Damage, it also forces a lot of extra nonremovable penalties. The main purpose of the feat is that it allows Slashing Grace while the off hand is occupied.

Villain Codex.

Which is a completely different feat than Slashing Grace, which is what this thread was about and what that poster was discussing. Therefore that statement was not false, because they were discussing Slashing Grace.


Slayer'sCoice wrote:
Slashing Grace is only usable with a free hand. It cannot be used with two-weapon fighting or in any moment both hands are occupied. It cannot be used with flurry of blows. This restriction is located at the end of the feat entry.

Actually, this is false, you just need to dip into Juggler Bard.

Now, you always have a free hand.


Starbuck_II wrote:
Slayer'sCoice wrote:
Slashing Grace is only usable with a free hand. It cannot be used with two-weapon fighting or in any moment both hands are occupied. It cannot be used with flurry of blows. This restriction is located at the end of the feat entry.

Actually, this is false, you just need to dip into Juggler Bard.

Now, you always have a free hand.
Quote:
You do not gain this benefit while fighting with two weapons or using flurry of blows, or any time another hand is otherwise occupied.

Slashing Grace doesn't require a free hand, it requires you not not be fighting with two weapons or having your hand otherwise occupied.

If you're fighting with two weapons you can't use Slashing Grace no matter how many free hands you have.

Scarab Sages

Quantum Steve wrote:
Starbuck_II wrote:
Slayer'sCoice wrote:
Slashing Grace is only usable with a free hand. It cannot be used with two-weapon fighting or in any moment both hands are occupied. It cannot be used with flurry of blows. This restriction is located at the end of the feat entry.

Actually, this is false, you just need to dip into Juggler Bard.

Now, you always have a free hand.
Quote:
You do not gain this benefit while fighting with two weapons or using flurry of blows, or any time another hand is otherwise occupied.

Slashing Grace doesn't require a free hand, it requires you not not be fighting with two weapons or having your hand otherwise occupied.

If you're fighting with two weapons you can't use Slashing Grace no matter how many free hands you have.

Unless you have two weapon grace, anyway.


Imbicatus wrote:
Quantum Steve wrote:
Starbuck_II wrote:
Slayer'sCoice wrote:
Slashing Grace is only usable with a free hand. It cannot be used with two-weapon fighting or in any moment both hands are occupied. It cannot be used with flurry of blows. This restriction is located at the end of the feat entry.

Actually, this is false, you just need to dip into Juggler Bard.

Now, you always have a free hand.
Quote:
You do not gain this benefit while fighting with two weapons or using flurry of blows, or any time another hand is otherwise occupied.

Slashing Grace doesn't require a free hand, it requires you not not be fighting with two weapons or having your hand otherwise occupied.

If you're fighting with two weapons you can't use Slashing Grace no matter how many free hands you have.
Unless you have two weapon grace, anyway.

what is two weapon grace ? cant find it in the SRD


Does the fact that Two-Weapon Grace now exists means that we can be less uptight about the various Graces? It's pretty clear that clause in Slashing Grace exists to prevent you from getting extra attacks and dex-to-damage. If that's what you want to do, there's a clear way to do that now.

There's an ambiguity in "occupied" anyway, do we read that as:
- Holding something.
- Doing something
- Doing something that is relevant to combat actions.

The first interpretation would prevent you from using slashing grace if you are holding a priceless rolled up painting, the second interpretation would prevent you from using slashing grace if are juggling or using sign language with your off hand, and the third interpretation would shut down neither but would prevent spell combat, TWF, Flurry of Blows, etc.


666bender wrote:
what is two weapon grace ? cant find it in the SRD

Villain Codex as previously stated. Currently not included in either the PRD, the d20pfsrd or the archiveofnethys...

Scarab Sages

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Two-Weapon Grace (Combat):

You can fight using agility instead of brute strength, even while fighting with two weapons.

Prerequisites: Dex 15; Fencing GraceUI, Slashing GraceACG, or Starry GraceUI; Two-Weapon Fighting; Weapon Finesse.

Benefit: You can gain the benefit of the Fencing GraceUI, Slashing GraceACG, or Starry GraceUI feats while fighting with two weapons. Your penalties from two-weapon fighting increase by 2 on all attack rolls you make when doing so, and you can’t decrease the penalties to less than –2 even if other abilities would reduce the penalties further. Add 1/2 your Dexterity bonus to damage with your off-hand weapon instead of 1/2 your Strength modifier. If you attack without using your off-hand weapon, you can use the aforementioned feats despite your other hand being occupied. In addition, Two-Weapon Grace counts as Double Slice for the purposes of qualifying for the Two-Weapon Rend feat.

Normal: You gain no benefit from the listed feats if you don’t have a free hand.

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