| Splendor |
Would the resurrecting spell work on a cloned body or does it have to be the original?
The reason I ask is lets say I clone myself for 10,000 years, always entering a new body every 20 or so years, but then one day I die without having a clone body ready.
Could someone resurrect me? Or did I "die" more than 1,000 years ago?
| boring7 |
But as far as I know, the clone spell cannot be used to exceed your natural life span, so unless you became immortal some other way, you'd still die permanently of old age.
There was a passage in one of the rule books which mentioned cloning as a form of "arcane immortality." I mean it was fluff text, but it was there. And working from the opposite direction, every OTHER brand of youth-extension very specifically mentions aging and dying "when your time is up" while Clone doesn't.
Obviously, your DM mileage may vary.
| Lifat |
Lifat wrote:But as far as I know, the clone spell cannot be used to exceed your natural life span, so unless you became immortal some other way, you'd still die permanently of old age.There was a passage in one of the rule books which mentioned cloning as a form of "arcane immortality." I mean it was fluff text, but it was there. And working from the opposite direction, every OTHER brand of youth-extension very specifically mentions aging and dying "when your time is up" while Clone doesn't.
Obviously, your DM mileage may vary.
Clone
School necromancy; Level sorcerer/wizard 8
Casting Time 10 minutes
Components V, S, M (laboratory supplies worth 1,000 gp), F (special laboratory equipment costing 500 gp)
Range 0 ft.
Effect one clone
Duration instantaneous
Saving Throw none; Spell Resistance no
This spell makes an inert duplicate of a creature. If the original individual has been slain, its soul immediately transfers to the clone, creating a replacement (provided that the soul is free and willing to return). The original's physical remains, should they still exist, become inert and cannot thereafter be restored to life. If the original creature has reached the end of its natural life span (that is, it has died of natural causes), any cloning attempt fails.
To create the duplicate, you must have a piece of flesh (not hair, nails, scales, or the like) with a volume of at least 1 cubic inch that was taken from the original creature's living body. The piece of flesh need not be fresh, but it must be kept from rotting. Once the spell is cast, the duplicate must be grown in a laboratory for 2d4 months.
When the clone is completed, the original's soul enters it immediately, if that creature is already dead. The clone is physically identical to the original and possesses the same personality and memories as the original. In other respects, treat the clone as if it were the original character raised from the dead, including its gaining of two permanent negative levels, just as if it had been hit by an energy-draining creature. If the subject is 1st level, it takes 2 points of Constitution drain instead (if this would reduce its Con to 0 or less, it can't be cloned). If the original creature gained permanent negative levels since the flesh sample was taken, the clone gains these negative levels as well.
The spell duplicates only the original's body and mind, not its equipment. A duplicate can be grown while the original still lives, or when the original soul is unavailable, but the resulting body is merely a soulless bit of inert flesh which rots if not preserved.
The bolded part is mine... That seems to me to say that the clone spell cannot be used to extend life beyond what raise dead/ resurrection / true resurrection can.
Furthermore, there's a specific person in one of the APs that have designed his very own version of a clone spell that is different from the original in that it allows him to extend life. I know that it isn't RAW, but it does hint at RAI.
| boring7 |
Hm, missed that one.
May have been different in my CRB, different printing...anyways
Aging rules are what you make of them, I mean there is straight-up immortality out there from a paizo product. And there's the question of the difference between max ages on races, I mean, should a god-like oracle of world-shattering power over time and life be outlived by a commoner because one of them was an orc? And the Clone never specifies how old it is. As was mentioned in another thread, reincarnate brings you back as a young adult, and if you make a clone body when you are 20, stick it in Temporal Stasis, and pop back into it after 40 years, why would it suddenly be old?
Back in 2nd edition (I think) the spell was called Stasis Clone, and oddly enough it also had a thing where it would preserve you as you were when it was grown. If you touched it, it would "update" to whatever age and XP level you had changed to, but otherwise, when you "respawned" it would also be at the (generally lower) level you were when you first created it.
Mileage continues to vary.