Qinggong Monk (Spell-like Abilities?)


Rules Questions


Are the Ki Powers of the qinggong monk spell-like abilities?

Are spell-like abilities affected by feats / abilities that affect spells (Spell Focus, Spell Penetration, Extend Spell, etc...)?


Qinggong powers that duplicate spells are spell-like abilities.

A spell-like ability works just like the spell it's based on, so it should benefit from a feat that would work on the spell. I think comments to that effect have been made by a Paizo person, if I recall correctly.

However there is no way to apply metamagic to them other than a couple of Monster Feats in the Beastiaries.


Driver 325 yards wrote:
Are the Ki Powers of the qinggong monk spell-like abilities?

The ones that are like spells are spell like abilities. So, True Strike ans Scorching Ray are Spell-like abilities. Slow Fall isn't.

Driver 325 yards wrote:
Are spell-like abilities affected by feats / abilities that affect spells (Spell Focus, Spell Penetration, Extend Spell, etc...)?

No, they aren't.

FAQ wrote:

Metamagic: Can I use a metamagic feat to alter a spell-like ability?

No. Metamagic feats specifically only affect spells, not spell-like abilities. Also, spell-like abilities do not have spell slots, so you can't adjust the effective spell slot of a spell-like ability.
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I found this here then followed the link to here just to be sure.


Yes, they are spell-like abilities. It says so explicitly in the Qinggong monk archetype.

No, metamagic feats cannot be used with spell-like abilities. There are feats specific to spell like abilities, like Quicken Spell-like Ability, that you can take with GM permission.


Scott Wilhelm wrote:
Driver 325 yards wrote:
Are spell-like abilities affected by feats / abilities that affect spells (Spell Focus, Spell Penetration, Extend Spell, etc...)?
No, they aren't.

Metamagic doesn't work for obvious reasons. But feats like Spell Focus should work with spell like abilities, due to:

Spell Like Abilities wrote:

Usually, a spell-like ability works just like the spell of that name. A spell-like ability has no verbal, somatic, or material component, nor does it require a focus. The user activates it mentally. Armor never affects a spell-like ability's use, even if the ability resembles an arcane spell with a somatic component.

A spell-like ability has a casting time of 1 standard action unless noted otherwise in the ability or spell description. In all other ways, a spell-like ability functions just like a spell.

So in theory, a Qinggong Monk with the Scorching Ray SLA could take Spell Specialization: Scorching Ray and benefit from it, for example.


I am going to have to go with Scott here. Spell like abilities count as spells but are not spells so a lot of things that improve spells do mot improve them.


Ah, I found the developer comment I was thinking of:.

Though it's from quite a while ago, and some of the later things he talks about were eventually FAQ'd out.

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