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errata whats errata nothing whats errata with you
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nobody knows the housecalls i've made
nobody knows, but jesus
So now we're almost a month or less away from the Errata.
I'd be thoroughly shocked if they didn't debut it AT GenCon with the second printing for more delicious cash money.
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I'd be thoroughly shocked if they didn't debut it AT GenCon with the second printing for more delicious cash money.
When I saw the "I just turned something in for editting" from Jason the other day I was all SQUEEEEEEK!
And then it was a playtest for a single class, that's incredibly hokey and I was all "Meh"
and built character anyway because well do I even need to explain?
20 days to go.
20 days to go.
The 'official' release date was August 6, 2014 so if they wait to the last moment they'd have until August 5, 2015.
Except Erik said before Gencon. And before Gencon is before then.
I missed that then. The only thing I recalled was them saying a year wouldn't go by without errata. And isn't gencon july 30-august 2? That isn't 20 days.
Except Erik said before Gencon. And before Gencon is before then.I missed that then. The only thing I recalled was them saying a year wouldn't go by without errata. And isn't gencon july 30-august 2? That isn't 20 days.
urrite, read it was on july 20th somewhere
We may have to accept that the "before ..." deadline is a bit iffy. Not to say it won't drop before I finish typing this post, but it's not as if things can't get out of even Erik's control.
Except Erik said before Gencon. And before Gencon is before then.I missed that then. The only thing I recalled was them saying a year wouldn't go by without errata. And isn't gencon july 30-august 2? That isn't 20 days.urrite, read it was on july 20th somewhere
It's cool. I'd missed the whole Gencon thing altogether. I'm more than happy to hear the expected date is sooner than I thought. ;)
Melkiador, DM Beckett: I was HOPING we'd see the 'sooner' they'd talked about. It's looking like we're going to have a photo-finish though. :P
As to 'deadline is a bit iffy': It may be, but the longer it's drawn out, the more annoyed I get. It turning from months to years just puts it at another level for IMO. ;)
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<Link>, for reference.
I can say with authority and certainty that it will not be a full year from the book's publication.
So there you have it. A window.
Some time between the end of PaizoCon and the beginning of Gen Con.
For sure.
And <here> is what Mark said a couple days ago.
Actually today at the Monday meeting, there was a segment where the editors talked about the ACG errata in a way that sounded like they're quite close, which is the last I'd heard of it for a while, so that's very encouraging (there are a few steps after the editors, but it seems unlikely those would be a problem for releasing by Gencon).
<Link>, for reference.
I can say with authority and certainty that it will not be a full year from the book's publication.
So there you have it. A window.
Some time between the end of PaizoCon and the beginning of Gen Con.
For sure.
And <here> is what Mark said a couple days ago.
Actually today at the Monday meeting, there was a segment where the editors talked about the ACG errata in a way that sounded like they're quite close, which is the last I'd heard of it for a while, so that's very encouraging (there are a few steps after the editors, but it seems unlikely those would be a problem for releasing by Gencon).
So before the start of Gencon on july 30th. I'll put it on my calendar.
Errata are you there its me Margaret
Advanced Class Guide has been sent to the printers.
Yep, but it went to the printer fairly recently, so we don't have it yet.
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Advanced Class Guide has been sent to the printers.
Yep, but it went to the printer fairly recently, so we don't have it yet.
I came to the thread to share this, but you beat me to it! :-)
Anyway, exciting news. Sounds like we're going to get that errata (and those updated pdfs) soon!
Great to hear!
Woo hoo! My Spell Warrior Skald will be excited to be able to use the rage power he gains at level 3! ;-)
So I guess there wasn't any change in policy on this book after all. No errata unless / until a second printing is required.
It would be more appropriate to say that the book sold out so fast that by the time the errata was ready the issue of the policy was moot.
I believe that is indeed what happened. Internally, I heard that the errata were close and coming out soon before the point when I heard that we sold out the first printing.
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It would be more appropriate to say that the book sold out so fast that by the time the errata was ready the issue of the policy was moot.I believe that is indeed what happened. Internally, I heard that the errata were close and coming out soon before the point when I heard that we sold out the first printing.
Yeah, that tracks <what Erik guessed back in October>, which as I recall (and I've followed this pretty closely) is the only time he explicitly answered the "can we have errata before the second printing" request—with a "looks like we won't have to."
Howzabout making an exception to the rule and releasing ACG errata despite not having to reprint the book yet? While I adore much of the content, it could certainly do with an update, not the least to make sure one can read a thread about ACG without having to wade through "I felt sexually assaulted by this book" comments from our resident, erm, "passionate gamers"?We'll have an ACG errata sooner rather than later. The book has almost sold through its first print run, so we won't even need to do it "early."
However, in the meantime I am having the entire book re-proofed to catch as many errors as we can. I know there is an unacceptably high number of errors that involve rules elements, but the book has more typos and other sloppiness in simple running text than I'm comfortable with, and I want to make sure we fix before we reprint. Some of that stuff will reveal more errata material, I suspect.
So, soon.
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It would be more appropriate to say that the book sold out so fast that by the time the errata was ready the issue of the policy was moot.I believe that is indeed what happened. Internally, I heard that the errata were close and coming out soon before the point when I heard that we sold out the first printing.Yeah, that tracks <what Erik guessed back in October>, which as I recall (and I've followed this pretty closely) is the only time he explicitly answered the "can we have errata before the second printing" request—with a "looks like we won't have to."
Howzabout making an exception to the rule and releasing ACG errata despite not having to reprint the book yet? While I adore much of the content, it could certainly do with an update, not the least to make sure one can read a thread about ACG without having to wade through "I felt sexually assaulted by this book" comments from our resident, erm, "passionate gamers"?We'll have an ACG errata sooner rather than later. The book has almost sold through its first print run, so we won't even need to do it "early."
However, in the meantime I am having the entire book re-proofed to catch as many errors as we can. I know there is an unacceptably high number of errors that involve rules elements, but the book has more typos and other sloppiness in simple running text than I'm comfortable with, and I want to make sure we fix before we reprint. Some of that stuff will reveal more errata material, I suspect.
So, soon.
Yup! It's worth noting that we not only did massive passes ourselves but also went to outside editors who put in a ridiculous number of hours. By which I mean, when I volunteered to help our editors figure out whether the outside editors' potential edits were correct, one chapters came back with over 1000 notes. For just that chapter. Now, a lot of those were false alarms or were notes over wording issues that we like to keep consistent but you guys actually almost never notice, but still, that's a lot to check over. And our editors then had to check through all of those to find the ones that were correct. This all happened after I had posted that the Design Team had gone and found all our development errors.
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moar previewz plox
feed me
feed us
ALSO: The errata process should perhaps change in a way to allow non-core material to get fixed more expediently, especially considering we live in a mainly digital age... I know the Antipaladin Fearmonger archetype is not likely to be ever fixed even if one of it's main features is absolutely borked. I wish it were easier to patch those up.
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Problem with the campaign setting material is that normally, if there's a problem with it, Paizo will just ignore it until they're ready to reprint it into another book, and even then they MIGHT fix it. Core material only gets fixes because they reprint them fairly regularly.
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Yup! It's worth noting that we not only did massive passes ourselves but also went to outside editors who put in a ridiculous number of hours. By which I mean, when I volunteered to help our editors figure out whether the outside editors' potential edits were correct, one chapters came back with over 1000 notes. For just that chapter. Now, a lot of those were false alarms or were notes over wording issues that we like to keep consistent but you guys actually almost never notice, but still, that's a lot to check over. And our editors then had to check through all of those to find the ones that were correct. This all happened after I had posted that the Design Team had gone and found all our development errors.
Neat! Looking forward to the new PDF. :-)
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Still betting money that it will officially come out AT GenCon.
Still betting money that it will officially come out AT GenCon.
Well we've been promised "Some time between the end of PaizoCon and the beginning of Gen Con." "For sure."
Coming out AT Gen Con would be after what was promised.
My understanding was that it would very specifically not be coming out at Gencon also, just because everyone would have far too much to do.
Frankly, I think it would be a bad idea for it to come out at Gencon also because we will all be at Gencon and unable to respond to you guys if questions arise, as they likely will, and then there will be roughly a 100% chance that at least one poster will read a conspiracy into the lack of response (now that I posted this, that chance is still very high, so if they do come out at Gencon or just baaarely before, let's all look to see if it happens). However, it is the case that "Between X and Y" can be either inclusive or exclusive in English. It's why we use [ ] or ( ) in math!
My understanding was that it would very specifically not be coming out at Gencon also, just because everyone would have far too much to do.Frankly, I think it would be a bad idea for it to come out at Gencon also because we will all be at Gencon and unable to respond to you guys if questions arise, as they likely will, and then there will be roughly a 100% chance that at least one poster will read a conspiracy into the lack of response (now that I posted this, that chance is still very high, so if they do come out at Gencon or just baaarely before, let's all look to see if it happens). However, it is the case that "Between X and Y" can be either inclusive or exclusive in English. It's why we use [ ] or ( ) in math!
True on math but the end point is "beginning of Gen Con" not gencon as a whole. So it'd have to come out moments after opening to be correct. ;)
True on math but the end point is "beginning of Gen Con" not gencon as a whole. So it'd have to come out moments after opening to be correct. ;)My understanding was that it would very specifically not be coming out at Gencon also, just because everyone would have far too much to do.Frankly, I think it would be a bad idea for it to come out at Gencon also because we will all be at Gencon and unable to respond to you guys if questions arise, as they likely will, and then there will be roughly a 100% chance that at least one poster will read a conspiracy into the lack of response (now that I posted this, that chance is still very high, so if they do come out at Gencon or just baaarely before, let's all look to see if it happens). However, it is the case that "Between X and Y" can be either inclusive or exclusive in English. It's why we use [ ] or ( ) in math!
Yup, beginning of Gencon was indeed the stated endpoint. To be honest, I think it would be a bigger challenge to release it later than that but before the end of Gencon) than it would be to release it before that, from how many people would be out of the office alone.
Yep, that makes sense Mark. I think about at least a week before Gen Con would be ideal. There will be a lot to digest and that'd give some time for Q&A before you guys escape your cages and move to Indianapolis for a week. ;)
Still betting money that it will officially come out AT GenCon.How much money are you betting, and can I get in on that action?
Betting against the house always has lousy odds. ;)
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Still betting money that it will officially come out AT GenCon.How much money are you betting, and can I get in on that action?
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Still betting money that it will officially come out AT GenCon.How much money are you betting, and can I get in on that action?
So it's gone to the printers but the PDF isn't available yet is that right?
Surely if you're printing a new batch you should be able to put a date on it now?
I know, right?
Must be any day, now!
:-D
I refresh and I refresh but the FAQ does not come out...*twitch*
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Just putting <this> here so everyone's on the same page.
The errata is coming BEFORE Gen Con, as I said it would.
Thanks for your patience, everyone. I know this one has been a long time coming.