Paladin of Baha-who? |
I do kinda feel like my choice of Technologist was a bit of a waste of time. Albeit is an out of left field choice for a Bones Oracle to take, but then again the character was frankly designed to be a bit of a strange one.
If you play through the scenarios that involve tech, and then don't plan to use the items gained from those chronicle sheets that might need that feat, you could always use the retraining rules to replace it with a different feat.
DrSwordopolis |
Campaign leadership still needs to read the AP, develop chronicle sheets/boons, and in Iron Gods' case, figure out how much technology they want to allow to leak into the regular PFS campaign.
They've been pretty good thus far at getting adventures sanctioned, but consider that they've only fully sanctioned 7 APs in the past ~2 years - it clearly takes a significant amount of spare time. Regular PFS scenario development certainly takes priority, and modules compete with APs for sanctioning.
That said, I'm looking forward to Iron Gods getting sanctioned, and I wouldn't be terribly surprised to see it in the next month or two.
Wraith235 |
no they are just behind on sanctioning things
we have the following were waiting on
Carrion Crown
Kingmaker
council of thieves (See Below)
Daughters of Fury
Giantslayer
ok so were really not waiting for the last 2
I know there was a cut off I just cant remember if it was kingmaker or council due to edition things
Mummys Mask was the last AP they sanctioned and it was several months ago that it was 4-5 months ago IIRC
Tears at Bitter manor was the last module that was sanctioned and it was very recent
+ you have the ramp up for Con season happening now ... (PaizoCon in July and GenCon in August) - youve seen the call for volunteers go out for both of these recently
Tamec Venture-Agent, Florida–Altamonte Springs |
Uh Carrion Crown was sanctioned January 2014.
Typically what I've seen is the latest AP gets sanctioned and then if the Campaign Leadership has time they finalize sanctioning of an older AP.
Wraith235 |
Uh Carrion Crown was sanctioned January 2014.
Typically what I've seen is the latest AP gets sanctioned and then if the Campaign Leadership has time they finalize sanctioning of an older AP.
yup your right my brain was reading 1 and thinking another
I meant Serpent Skull
Tamec Venture-Agent, Florida–Altamonte Springs |
Brian Lefebvre RPG Superstar 2014 Top 32 |
I don't suppose there's been any news on Iron Gods getting sanctioned? My group finished the AP last week and it'd be nice to give them sheets to apply to their PFS characters at this point, and getting the tables of GM credit to boot.
Just a heads up, but PFS doesn't grant retroactive credit. In order to gain chronicle sheets you would have to play through the sanctioned material after it was sanctioned.
Duiker |
Duiker wrote:I don't suppose there's been any news on Iron Gods getting sanctioned? My group finished the AP last week and it'd be nice to give them sheets to apply to their PFS characters at this point, and getting the tables of GM credit to boot.Just a heads up, but PFS doesn't grant retroactive credit. In order to gain chronicle sheets you would have to play through the sanctioned material after it was sanctioned.
*completely bewildered*
So the fact that I'm an AP subscriber and ran an AP as it came out instead of waiting for a year for Paizo to sanction it means that I am actively punished as a PFS GM? Shouldn't the sanctioning process be designed to incentivize exactly what my group just did instead of encouraging us to buy the materials for less money on Amazon in a year?
Duiker |
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Nitpicking, but it's not actively punishing, it's passively. Retroactive credit is just too much of a logistical nightmare to grant.
How is it a logistical nightmare? Type dates and IDs into the system. Print out chronicle sheets for the people I see every week at the same time. There is no logistical difference for me or for Paizo.
Sebastian Hirsch Venture-Captain, Germany—Bavaria |
Given the nature of campaign mode, there seems to be nothing wrong in just replaying the AP with you players, and as always, in campaign mode you can pretty much change anything (including giving the PCs 245 point by and 10 mythic tiers starting from level 1) .
When the group reches the boss of the first ABP, replace the fight with a trivia quiz about Battlestar galactica. Or maybe competitive drinking, doing a decent McGuiver impression, lock your players in a room with several liters of red bull, a used volkswagen van, a welding torch and a knight rider box set ... you get the gist.
Of maybe just run it as a kind of rematch, and give all the hard enemies a second chance at retribution.
I know that some people might call this cheating, but running the adventure again as written with your usual house rules, is completely legal, but pretty boring when your players metagame to the limit.
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And for the record I have been an AP subscriber since Jade Regent, and have reported exactly zero AP sessions, and have years of AP sessions left to run. I am not saying that running the APs as soon as they come out was wrong, as I understand this (badly communicated ) rule as been in effect for quite some time.
Tamec Venture-Agent, Florida–Altamonte Springs |
KestlerGunner |
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Eh. I don't buy into fans giving the developers/creators a free pass just because they have events on their calendar. PFS sanctioning should be written into the development calendar of every adventure product Paizo releases. Unless, of course, they decide that it's not suitable (eg WOTR).
If they don't have the staff to get the job done, delegate volunteers. There's plenty of open call authors/VOs/Superstar finalists that would happily take on the task.
Kot the Protector |
I found that the chronicle sheet for scenarios like Fires of Karamoss and Return to Sky gaveme a lot of hope for how Iron Gods chronicle sheets could appear. Fires of Karamoss has a LOT of tech on the chronicle sheet, but nearly all of it is timeworn and several are partially charged, keeping the power of the items in check and making them more affordable.
Those could be great examples of how a chronicle sheet for Iron Gods could be written!
Codanous |
I have similar feelings as Kestler, at this point it is rather worrisome that Hell's Rebels is going to be starting soon and still no real word or update on Iron Gods sanctioning.
I also agree with Kot the Protector that the Scenario chronicles that have had tech on them provide a great example of what I'd hope Iron Gods chronicles could look like one day.
Mystic Lemur |
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I'd have to disagree. Never, that I can remember, did they ever guarantee they would sanction all future APS (or past ones, for that matter). They are doing this as the schedule permits in order to give us more playable content for PFS. They should not be putting them on the schedule at the expense of accrual PFS content and other Paizo events.
As for using volunteers, they've said in the past that even volunteer work has to be edited up to Paizo standards, and that takes in-house talent that they really can't spare right now. You're asking then to devote real money resources to something that flat out won't be profitable.
Chris Mortika RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16 |
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Mystic Lemur, it's my (anecdotal) experience that people get more fired up to play an AP if there ae Society Chronicles available for it. I'm aware of (a) a home campaign that switched from Wrath of the Righteous to Mummy's Mask, simply because the former didn't offer PFS Chronicles, and (b) a group who were planning to run Emerald Spire, and delayed the start of the campaign until the PFS Chronicles were available, One of the players said tha they "didn't want to waste" the first couple of dungeon levels.
So, in some cases, making Chronicle sheets available does make the corresponding product more profitable.
The Fox |
I'd have to disagree. Never, that I can remember, did they ever guarantee they would sanction all future APS (or past ones, for that matter).
We aren't talking about all future APs. Nor are we talking about guarantees. We are discussing our hopes. Those hopes are buoyed by this statement:
I anticipate we will sanction Iron Gods for Pathfinder Society Organized Play.
It is still my hope that this AP will be sanctioned for PFS, though I am, like Codanous, worried that Hell's Rebels will be a higher priority.
roysier |
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Then maybe they should add development of PFS chronicles to the regular work of putting out the monthly adventure paths. That way you have APs advertising for Paizo's Organized Play campaign.
I second this and add that this person should also putsout chronicle sheets for modules. I've been sitting on Daughters of Fury for a long time now wanting to run it but unable to due to no chronicle sheets and the only place I have to run it is with PFS players.
Chris Mortika RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16 |
I understand, roysier, and I sympathize. You're not the only person with such a story.
Nonetheless, it makes me very sad to hear that some people are electing NOT to play one of the best Pathfinder adventures, simply because the Organized Play campaign isn't rewarding them enough for doing so.
That seems a case of the tail wagging the dog.
LazarX |
Chris Mortika wrote:...it makes me very sad to hear that some people are electing NOT to play one of the best Pathfinder adventures...Do you mean Daughters of Fury or do you mean Iron Gods?
Probably Kingmaker. Person can't be talking about Wrath of the Righteous.
Andrew Christian |
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I understand, roysier, and I sympathize. You're not the only person with such a story.
Nonetheless, it makes me very sad to hear that some people are electing NOT to play one of the best Pathfinder adventures, simply because the Organized Play campaign isn't rewarding them enough for doing so.
That seems a case of the tail wagging the dog.
Well, to be fair, if the gaming you do is PFS, I can see why one would wait. And it doesn't surprise me to see that being a prevailing attitude on the PFS boards.
Andrew Christian |
Not trying to be a wet blanket here, but the amount if stuff they need to Di between now and Gen Con probably precludes any extra sanctioning.
The final two scenarios are due out this week. Then they have six quests, a 1-11 special, True Dragons of Absalom, and the three Season 7 premiers.
My guess is, 12 hour days for the next month with no extra time to read and sanction Iron Gods. My Guess would be around October at the earliest
Thurston Hillman Contributor—Canadian Maplecakes |
Not trying to be a wet blanket here, but the amount if stuff they need to Di between now and Gen Con probably precludes any extra sanctioning.
The final two scenarios are due out this week. Then they have six quests, a 1-11 special, True Dragons of Absalom, and the three Season 7 premiers.
My guess is, 12 hour days for the next month with no extra time to read and sanction Iron Gods. My Guess would be around October at the earliest
HUSH ANDY! People aren't supposed to realize that Paizo developers actually do work... ;)
Andrew Christian |
Andrew Christian wrote:HUSH ANDY! People aren't supposed to realize that Paizo developers actually do work... ;)Not trying to be a wet blanket here, but the amount if stuff they need to Di between now and Gen Con probably precludes any extra sanctioning.
The final two scenarios are due out this week. Then they have six quests, a 1-11 special, True Dragons of Absalom, and the three Season 7 premiers.
My guess is, 12 hour days for the next month with no extra time to read and sanction Iron Gods. My Guess would be around October at the earliest
chuckle...
Zinzin Jin |
So is there a commitment on sanctioning the Iron Gods AP?
I know it has been talked about for a long, long time. I've been playing and enjoying it, but I also play PFS and having this one sanctioned would be a nice side benefit.
I know GenCon is coming and that Mike Brock is leaving us (we will miss you Mike - you have been great - thank you), but this is dragging on too long.
I have no interest in tech in PFS on a chronicle, just a chronicle full stop.
KestlerGunner |
I wrote a Chronicle for Fires of Creation, following the standard format set by Rise of the Runelords.
I chose to remove much of the 'zap-zap! pew-pew!' technology and retained the more subtle tech that's been featuring on Season 6 chronicles, such as hidden implants, advanced grenades and alien/Technic League drugs.
Be keen to hear some feedback from folks who have played or GM'ed FoC.
Spoilers ensue obviously.
Fires of Creation
Sanctioned Areas, C1 to D9 (including the warehouse)
Level 3-5
Slow gold: 2,400
Normal gold: 4,800
Select one of the following boons and cross the others off your Chronicle sheet.
League Agents Everywhere: After the betrayal of a trusted town member, you begin to suspect Technic League agents are hiding everywhere. Once per session, you can reroll a Sense Motive check and add 2 to your result. You must accept the second result.
Medbay Cleansing: You discovered a highly advanced medical bay, and after extensive repairs, managed to gain some benefits. Your body has been cleansed by a star-faring disease control system that uses a cocktail of nanites and chemicals. Some of this formula is still present within your body, making it more difficult for foreign bodies to infect you. Once per session, you can reroll a Fortitude save versus disease and add 2 to your result. You must accept the second result.
Petromin Familiar: You discover a cryogenically frozen alien animal. A caster with the familiar class feature may bond with a captured desert dwelling alien Petromin. If you make this bond with the captured alien creature, you must provide a copy of Fires of Creation following the rules for Additional Resources.
Pilo Animal Companion: You discover a cryogenically frozen alien animal. A character with the animal companion class feature may bond with a captured desert dwelling alien Pilo. If you make this bond with the captured alien creature, you must provide a copy of Fires of Creation following the rules for Additional Resources.
Spent Fuel Rod: You survived a battle in the core of a nuclear reactor and you found an unconventional weapon in that hellish place. You hold an irradiated nuclear fuel rod encased in a flimsy lead lining. You can throw this object like a thrown weapon - treat the square it lands in as if a 7th level caster had cast Irradiate (p9 Technology Guide) in that location (Fortitude save DC 17) When you use this item, cross this boon off your chronicle.
Vitality Serum (limit 1 only) (p61 FoC) (500gp)
Universal Serum (limit 1 only) (p61 FoC) (400gp)
Torpinal (limit 1 only) (TG) (300gp)
Bang Grenade (limit 3 only) (TG) (250gp)
Flash Grenade (limit 3 only) (TG) (750gp)
Grade I Hemochem (limit 1 only) (TG) (250gp)
Panic Suit (limit 1 only) (TG) (2,000gp)
Grippers (TG) (100gp)
Skill Slot (Cybertech) (TG) (2,000gp)
Mark I Skillchip (Any Skill) (TG) (400gp)
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At Paizocon, I talked with John about this. The sense I got was that Andrew is right, not likely before October.
I've been running it for a while and we should finish up book 3 mid August, we might be able to get sheets for books 4-6! I hope.
A player I would love to have played with us, refused partially because of the no chronicle sheet issue. This is too bad, since the AP is awesome.