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Nihimon wrote:
-Aet- Charlie wrote:

@All

Meh

Is that kind of like "*yawn*"?

Yeah I think so, but nothing like a *popcorn*

Goblin Squad Member

DeciusBrutus wrote:
Anyone laying odds on how long it will take the Freevale Liberation Front to evict Blunt Logic?

Pfft, Freevale Liberation Front. SPLITTERS!

The Liberation Front of Freevale is already working to undermine Gpunk and take over in yet another coup. Gpunk'll never expect it from WITHIN Blunt Logic.

Muahaha

And since there was some Heinlein quoting I missed

Heinlein wrote:
Democracy can't work. Mathematicians, peasants, and animals, that's all there is — so democracy, a theory based on the assumption that mathematicians and peasants are equal, can never work. Wisdom is not additive; its maximum is that of the wisest man in a given group.

actually,

Heinlein wrote:

A perfect democracy, a ‘warm body’ democracy in which every adult may vote and all votes count equally, has no internal feedback for self-correction. It depends solely on the wisdom and self-restraint of citizens… which is opposed by the folly and lack of self-restraint of other citizens. What is supposed to happen in a democracy is that each sovereign citizen will always vote in the public interest for the safety and welfare of all. But what does happen is that he votes his own self-interest as he sees it… which for the majority translates as ‘Bread and Circuses.’

‘Bread and Circuses’ is the cancer of democracy, the fatal disease for which there is no cure. Democracy often works beautifully at first. But once a state extends the franchise to every warm body, be he producer or parasite, that day marks the beginning of the end of the state. For when the plebs discover that they can vote themselves bread and circuses without limit and that the productive members of the body politic cannot stop them, they will do so, until the state bleeds to death, or in its weakened condition the state succumbs to an invader—the barbarians enter Rome.

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Political tags - such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth - are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.

Robert A. Heinlein

Scarab Sages

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"Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar" - Sigsmund Schlomo Freud

Am I fitting now?

Goblin Squad Member

Kemedo wrote:

"Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar" - Sigsmund Schlomo Freud

Am I fitting now?

You can do what you want to fit in , unless you join a (certain)settlement where they want people to be controlled.

Goblin Squad Member

Best Heinlein quote:

Robert Heinlein wrote:
“A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.”

Goblin Squad Member

Notmyrealname wrote:
Kemedo wrote:

"Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar" - Sigsmund Schlomo Freud

Am I fitting now?

You can do what you want to fit in , unless you join a (certain)settlement where they want people to be controlled.

If you're looking for a settlement that has few controls Aragon (CN) has the fewest, followed closely by Freevale.

Scarab Sages

Bluddwolf wrote:
Notmyrealname wrote:
Kemedo wrote:

"Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar" - Sigsmund Schlomo Freud

Am I fitting now?

You can do what you want to fit in , unless you join a (certain)settlement where they want people to be controlled.

If you're looking for a settlement that has few controls Aragon (CN) has the fewest, followed closely by Freevale.

Endorsed!

Lion Council made a lot of parties last days, ending in uncontrolled public damage, and not a single repriment was made.

Barbecure "churrasco" style...

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Bluddwolf wrote:
Notmyrealname wrote:
Kemedo wrote:

"Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar" - Sigsmund Schlomo Freud

Am I fitting now?

You can do what you want to fit in , unless you join a (certain)settlement where they want people to be controlled.

If you're looking for a settlement that has few controls Aragon (CN) has the fewest, followed closely by Freevale.

What is the Aragon position on this...

purge (pûrj)
v. purged, purg·ing, purg·es

4.
a. To rid (a nation or political party, for example) of people considered undesirable.

b. To get rid of (people considered undesirable). See Synonyms at eliminate.

Scarab Sages

undiserable = enemy

Amirite?

Goblin Squad Member

Yes

Scarab Sages

So question answered.

Goblin Squad Member

Notmyrealname wrote:
What is the Aragon position on this...

As I have stated, I wish it could have been worked out. I stand for a strong Freevale, because a strong Freevale is in the best interest of Aragon.

Freevale and Aragon remain as partners in the Northern Coalition. As the only two Chaotic Neutral settlements, I look forward to working with each other in a variety of supportive ways. Eventually, we might even consider forming a Chaotic Nation.

If our two settlements develop that strong bond of cooperation, that strengthens the Northern Coalition as a whole. Even if the other three settlements of the NC are Lawfully aligned, their citizens may still need some access to skills that have a chaotic required structure to get it.

We as chaotics, who are particularly mercenary in our motivations, also provide a valuable tool. Some may say we are the "attack dogs" of the Evil Empire, or "Monsters in the Basement" or "Random Player Killing Griefers"... Whatever you call us, we are "Content" and happily so.

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I meant are you going to have purges at Aragon if some members are viewed as undesirable because they don't do what you want? Being willing to drive out or kick out half your members is a major flaw to me .

IT can't work out if leadership is willing to purge the settlement , that is the opposite of it working out.

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Bluddwolf wrote:
Notmyrealname wrote:
What is the Aragon position on this...

As I have stated, I wish it could have been worked out. I stand for a strong Freevale, because a strong Freevale is in the best interest of Aragon.

Freevale and Aragon remain as partners in the Northern Coalition. As the only two Chaotic Neutral settlements, I look forward to working with each other in a variety of supportive ways. Eventually, we might even consider forming a Chaotic Nation.

If our two settlements develop that strong bond of cooperation, that strengthens the Northern Coalition as a whole. Even if the other three settlements of the NC are Lawfully aligned, their citizens may still need some access to skills that have a chaotic required structure to get it.

We as chaotics, who are particularly mercenary in our motivations, also provide a valuable tool. Some may say we are the "attack dogs" of the Evil Empire, or "Monsters in the Basement" or "Random Player Killing Griefers"... Whatever you call us, we are "Content" and happily so.

I thought the NC was just a Non-Aggression Pact. It sounds like much more from the post above. Has the NC grown into something more?

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FMS Quietus wrote:
I thought the NC was just a Non-Aggression Pact. It sounds like much more from the post above. Has the NC grown into something more?

The NC is a NAP, but all groups involved are on a friendly basis. I think Aragon wishes to pursue closer ties with Freevale, which would be an additional treaty.

EDIT: Edited for clarity and grammar.

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Lord Regent: Deacon Wulf wrote:
FMS Quietus wrote:
I thought the NC was just a Non-Aggression Pact. It sounds like much more from the post above. Has the NC grown into something more?

The NC is a NAP, but all groups involved are on a friendly basis. I think Aragon wishes to pursue closer ties with Freevale, which would be an additional treaty.

EDIT: Edited for clarity and grammar.

Ah. Gotcha. Thanks for the reply.

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Notmyrealname wrote:
I meant are you going to have purges at Aragon if some members are viewed as undesirable because they don't do what you want? Being willing to drive out or kick out half your members is a major flaw to me .

Aren't we all, in Aragon? All kidding aside, Aragon is not a democracy although we do listen to our members.

Goblinworks Executive Founder

Notmyrealname wrote:

A new government ? UHH... maybe I missed something here, you started out with one person who had all authority and could do whatever they want and nobody can stop them, that is what you still have!

Unlike a traditional mmo guild there needs to be a way to remove the leader of a settlement or it will just be their toy to play with as they want , not a good idea for PFO. I understand the MVP wont have government types but due to the limited number of settlements (guilds) a way to vote out the leader is needed , I think. Settlements need stability to be fun, not a new government because one person 'feels' like it.

I love the Crusader Kings 2 government system, where you can choose to have a very unstable power position (Gavelkind, Elective Monarchy, Low Authority) with massive demesne bonus, popularity bonus and so on, or a Strong position (Max Crown, Primogeniture, Ultimogeniture...), but with a lot less development bonus.

I think that it would be great, if there is a large panel of possibilitys, with big bonuses for system of government with a lot of risk of losing control.


Bluddwolf wrote:
Notmyrealname wrote:
Kemedo wrote:

"Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar" - Sigsmund Schlomo Freud

Am I fitting now?

You can do what you want to fit in , unless you join a (certain)settlement where they want people to be controlled.

If you're looking for a settlement that has few controls Aragon (CN) has the fewest, followed closely by Freevale.

Oh? I'm curious—what did Freevale disallow that Aragon permits?

Bluddwolf wrote:
We as chaotics, who are particularly mercenary in our motivations

*Bzzt*

Neutral people are "particularly mercenary". Neither Lawful nor Chaotic are any more mercenary than the other.

Goblin Squad Member

Kobold Cleaver wrote:


Bluddwolf wrote:
We as chaotics, who are particularly mercenary in our motivations

*Bzzt*

Neutral people are "particularly mercenary". Neither Lawful nor Chaotic are any more mercenary than the other.

There is much misunderstanding of what it means to be chaotic.

The classic example of Chaotic is Drow who as individuals are Chaotic Evil but as a society of necessity tend towards Neutral or even Lawful Evil as otherwise they would all die out having Backstabbed and Assassinated each other to extinction.

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It would be interesting to see how GW would engineer a functioning and accurate recreation of Menzoberranzan.

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-Aet- Areks wrote:
It would be interesting to see how GW would engineer a functioning and accurate recreation of Menzoberranzan.

I suspect there would be licencing issues with this. Afaik Menzoberranzan as a city is specifically within The Forgotten Realms, which is definitely Wizards of the Coast IP/property.

Which isn't to say you couldn't make an underground drow city with a giant timekeeping heat pillar in the middle anyway, of course.

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... I wasn't saying it was possible. What I'm saying is it would be interesting how mechanics GW use would affect the workings of Menzoberranzan. I think it would be interesting to see how close they could get.

Goblinworks Executive Founder

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KoTC Edam Neadenil wrote:

There is much misunderstanding of what it means to be chaotic.

The classic example of Chaotic is Drow who as individuals are Chaotic Evil but as a society of necessity tend towards Neutral or even Lawful Evil as otherwise they would all die out having Backstabbed and Assassinated each other to extinction.

Actually no, it is not the classic example, it is more the classic exception. Drows are a very specific context.

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-Aet- Areks wrote:
... I wasn't saying it was possible. What I'm saying is it would be interesting how mechanics GW use would affect the workings of Menzoberranzan. I think it would be interesting to see how close they could get.

Ah - sorry, I guess I didn't take into account the context of the post. Apologies :D

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Kobold Cleaver wrote:
Oh? I'm curious—what did Freevale disallow that Aragon permits?

According to reports, free speech on the Freevale Forums. I am the site admin of our forums. I have never and will never lock a thread. I have never and will never modify or moderate a post. You can say anything on our forums, from the most vile speech to politically incorrect jokes, to praising to high Heaven Trajan (one of our most verbally and intentional CE members).

Even if you challenge the supremacy of the council, your post will remain for all to see. We may tell you to GTFO, and you will likely be visited by shady looking characters a few times in game, but your words will remain.

Scarab Sages

Six Rivers Freedoms


  • Say What You Will, I Live Free
  • Oathbreakers Die
  • Walk Any Road, Float Any River
  • Courts Are for Kings
  • Slavery is an Abomination
  • You Have What You Hold

Basically...

Goblinworks Executive Founder

Bluddwolf wrote:

According to reports, free speech on the Freevale Forums. I am the site admin of our forums. I have never and will never lock a thread. I have never and will never modify or moderate a post. You can say anything on our forums, from the most vile speech to politically incorrect jokes, to praising to high Heaven Trajan (one of our most verbally and intentional CE members).

Even if you challenge the supremacy of the council, your post will remain for all to see. We may tell you to GTFO, and you will likely be visited by shady looking characters a few times in game, but your words will remain.

I salute you. But again, I'm banned from Facebook and Google+, so I guess I'm a little biased.


Ah, yeah, we didn't have free speech. I expect any "vile speech", bullying, or general bigotry would have been shut down quite quickly, in fact. :)

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I've been passing PMs back and forth with Gpunk about the situation. As everyone knows, we (the Librarians of Doom) relinquished up our mammoth hunker down bonus on Q to join Freevale.

We were actively recruited by Gpunk. We were specifically promised two seats on the council and the direct democracy was a large part of our decision to join up with Freevale.

I am personally disappointed that Gpunk chose this route, and I've said so directly to him, but with that said, there is a part of me that completely understands why this decision was made. This is supposed to be a game -- A GAME -- and if I'm spending all of my time arguing and getting stressed out over A GAME then I'm not doing something right. I'm not going to take sides, but will say that I understand that when folks argue for an extended period they are most likely not really arguing what they think they're arguing about.

I, personally, want to help Freevale be successful and I'm going to stick it out. A reboot is sometimes needed, and I'm excited to see what happens next.

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Kobold Cleaver wrote:
Ah, yeah, we didn't have free speech. I expect any "vile speech", bullying, or general bigotry would have been shut down quite quickly, in fact. :)

The vile speech part, yes we do have, but the others no. Not because we have said "no you can't say that" or because we shut down threads or deleted posts, we just don't have those kinds of people in the UNC or any of its associated companies.

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allegedly...

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chief librarian wrote:
I, personally, want to help Freevale be successful and I'm going to stick it out.

Absolutely. Librarians of Doom and others sticking with Blunt Logic have every reason to enjoy the benefits of the settlement they helped secure. I don't hold any ill will towards you for it, and I doubt any of the others who have been 'kicked out' do either. Best of luck, and I hope to see you around in the game.

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KotC Carbon D. Metric wrote:
allegedly...

You are welcome to visit our forums or better yet, chat with us in our TS. So far, everyone that has done that has left with a different impression than the expected when they walked in.

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UNC is great.

Much better than "Cats".

I'm going to visit them again, and again.

Goblin Squad Member

My future self came back in time and told me that he was hugely disappointed by the UNC ts as Bluddwolf did in fact not speak Russian despite never having claimed that he does. What a let down.

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Papaver wrote:
My future self came back in time and told me that he was hugely disappointed by the UNC ts as Bluddwolf did in fact not speak Russian despite never having claimed that he does. What a let down.

I know some Russian pirates in EvE Online.

Goblin Squad Member

I should have our forums up and running tonight or tomorrow (I was at a bachelors party over the weekend so it delayed my coding efforts).

Goblin Squad Member

Bluddwolf wrote:
Papaver wrote:
My future self came back in time and told me that he was hugely disappointed by the UNC ts as Bluddwolf did in fact not speak Russian despite never having claimed that he does. What a let down.
I know some Russian pirates in EvE Online.

Actually most of the Russians corps like Solar Fleet are in the Drone Regions. It's actually not that easy to join a corp over that way if you cannot speak Russian. Then again EVE has always had country/language based corps from the very start.

Pirate regions like Stain, less so.

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