How to build Leonidas


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So i want to build Leonidas from 300, i know this is not the correct place to post it, but i don't know how to get there sorry :S


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Well, Leonidas is pretty much just a Phalanx archetype fighter.


but he was more a hoplite than a phalanx soldier. phalanx used a really big spear, while hoplites used lighter spears and round shields, while phalanxes used bigger shields also.

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Sword and board shield basher. Take phalanx fighter if you want to use spears, the sword he used was like a falcata


i like that one :}


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Zilfrel Findadur wrote:
but he was more a hoplite than a phalanx soldier. phalanx used a really big spear, while hoplites used lighter spears and round shields, while phalanxes used bigger shields also.

True, but mechanically in Pathfinder terms that round shield functioned like a tower shield. And being a phalanx fighter is the only way you can wield a spear other than the short spear. Spartan spears definitely weren't short spears, and hoplites (which were the soldiers) main tactic was the phalanx.

Hoplite = type of soldier
Phalanx = strategy Hoplites employed


You'll need a high charisma. He convinced 300 people to stand and fight a horde of thousands.


Mage Evolving wrote:
You'll need a high charisma. He convinced 300 people to stand and fight a horde of thousands.

Not quite, but mostly. It would be funny to build him as a bard.

Quote:

The Battle of Thermopylae was fought between an alliance of Greek city-states, led by King Leonidas of Sparta, and the Persian Empire of Xerxes I over the course of three days, during the second Persian invasion of Greece. It took place simultaneously with the naval battle at Artemisium, in August or September 480 BC, at the narrow coastal pass of Thermopylae ('The Hot Gates'). The Persian invasion was a delayed response to the defeat of the first Persian invasion of Greece, which had been ended by the Athenian victory at the Battle of Marathon in 490 BC. Xerxes had amassed a huge army and navy, and set out to conquer all of Greece. The Athenian general Themistocles had proposed that the allied Greeks block the advance of the Persian army at the pass of Thermopylae, and simultaneously block the Persian navy at the Straits of Artemisium.

A Greek force of approximately 7,000 men marched north to block the pass in the summer of 480 BC. The Persian army, alleged by the ancient sources to have numbered over one million but today considered to have been much smaller (various figures are given by scholars ranging between about 100,000 and 150,000) arrived at the pass in late August or early September. The vastly outnumbered Greeks held off the Persians for seven days (including three of battle) before the rear-guard was annihilated in one of history's most famous last stands. During two full days of battle the small force led by Leonidas blocked the only road by which the massive Persian army could pass. After the second day of battle a local resident named Ephialtes betrayed the Greeks by revealing a small path that led behind the Greek lines. Leonidas, aware that his force was being outflanked, dismissed the bulk of the Greek army and remained to guard the rear with 300 Spartans, 700 Thespians, 400 Thebans and perhaps a few hundred others, most of whom were killed.

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Historical Leonidas != 300 Leonidas

That said, I would go with Phalanx Soldier if you want to use a lonspear or normal spear & shild, or a Tower Shield Specialist if you are going to just use one handed weapons.

If you want to be really loose with the concept, you could be a Phalanx Fighter 3/Swashbuckler x, using a Longspear & Buckler as finesse weapons and getting precise strike with it.


I did a similar build for a pair of characters in an old campaign. We were both Half-Giant Phalanx Soldiers, took Wild Talent and Unlocked Talent so we could use Expansion a few times per day.

Phalanx Soldier is good if you have a teammate so you can both eventually give each other improved cover, and you can both take the Shield Wall teamwork feat.

If you are going to be a one man phalanx, and no other characters are going to join you, Tower Shield Specialist could also work.

If your GM allows it, Leadership could give you your own squad/army of Phalanx Soldiers.

I also tried a Brawler build that used Spiked Shields that was just flavored as a phalanx fighter.


Human Fighter 1.

Feats: Power Attack, Improved Bull Rush.


Mechanically, the most likely would be the Phalanx Fighter.

If I were building him, I'd probably use a warlord or marshal type class. I have one that I use for my campaign called the Commander. I'd probably build him as something like a Phalanx Fighter 4 / Commander 6, which would give him a decent variety of command-related abilities, most notably the ability to hand out teamwork feats (probably Shield Wall) and the ability to give out an AC bonus or let his squad brace weapons as an immediate action when getting charged.


The problem is there's no way he's anywhere near 10th level.


I disagree. This Is Sparta! (Su) (Will save negates falling into hole) is a great 10th level ability for whatever class he is.


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Claxon wrote:
Mage Evolving wrote:
You'll need a high charisma. He convinced 300 people to stand and fight a horde of thousands.
700 Thespians
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He forgot: Bardic bonuses don't stack.

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