Bonuses applied to rerolls + crit confirmation rolls


Rules Questions


1) When making a reroll, do you use all the bonuses and modifiers from the parent roll (the first roll)? For example, if I use the Adaptive Luck Halfling race trait to add +2 to a save, fail the save, and then choose to reroll the save using the Lessons of Chaldira religion trait, does the +2 from Adaptive Luck still apply to the reroll? (I have played that this is in fact the case, and that one would not need to expend another use of Adaptive Luck to boost the reroll again.)

2) When making a critical hit confirmation roll, do you use all the bonuses and modifiers from the original attack roll? The rules as written (taken from the Critical Hits section of the Gamemastering rules) could be theoretically taken either way:

Critical Hits wrote:
To find out if it's a critical hit, you immediately make an attempt to "confirm" the critical hit—another attack roll with all the same modifiers as the attack roll you just made.

On one hand, it says "[make] another attack roll," so I assume that bonuses like Adaptive Luck above would not apply to the confirmation roll. On the other hand, it also says, "with all the same modifiers as the attack roll you just made," so perhaps such bonuses would still apply. However, I hesitate to assume that such bonuses persist, since crit confirmation rolls can benefit from things like the Critical Focus feat and the Low Blow Halfling race trait, which do NOT apply to the original attack roll. Any thoughts? (I have played with the bonuses for the two rolls being separate, since the crit confirmation roll is "another [separate] attack roll.")

Thank you in advance for any input!

Grand Lodge

1) For most such abilities, you would get any and all modifiers from the first roll applied to the reroll.

2) What part of "another attack roll with all the same modifiers as the attack roll you just made" is hard to understand?

Now, if you have modifiers that come into play on critical confirmation rolls, they would be in addition to the original modifiers, but you would get the original modifiers as well.

If someone rolls a crit threat while using True Strike, as an example, the confirmation roll also gets the +20 from True Strike.


Hm. Okay. I'd just honestly never noticed the "with all the same modifiers" clause before, so it never occurred to me. My group never considered it until someone joined us in PFS recently and mentioned it.

If this is the general consensus and other people agree with this interpretation, I'll roll with it.


What about effects that allow you to roll twice and take the better (or worse) result? Are these also inherited by the confirmation roll, since it's a bonus to the first?


I would say yes.

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