The lines will be drawn wherever America wants them to be.
The real question is what's first to die? ( Race or Religion )
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It's not always a good idea to take government pronouncements at face value. If South Carolina and the various governments had said "we want to secede to protect the ability of our plutocrats to amass large amounts of wealth," most of the Confederate soldiers -- who were not typically plantation owners and for the most part not even slaveholders -- wouldn't have been quite so quick to join up
And how exactly were those plutocrats amassing such large amounts of wealth?
Slavery.
There is no vs between the ideas of "this is against slavery" and "this is a threat to my ability to stay ridiculously wealthy" when you stay ridiculously wealthy by slavery.
The economic tensions were what tore the country apart. The moral tensions were what allowed people to justify the tearing.
Outside of slavery the biggest economic issue was the tariff. When John C Calhoun stood up and said the south should secede over tariffs , they told him to sit down, shut up, and go easy on the whiskey. Non slavery economic issues simply were not important enough to fight a civil war over.
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World War Three
It begins in a little town in Missouri...
police begin arresting journalists in Ferguson protests
So, i was reading an article today, and apparently some folks think we might have upcoming conditions for WW3. No guarantees of course, and of course there are no clear "reasons" for a possible WW3. But I have been wondering, where would the lines be drawn."Some folks" will think anything, but if history is any guide at all, the absence of clear lines is the strongest possible proof that WW3 will not happen. Both World Wars were immediate consequences of global military alliances where the Great Powers had broken themselves into clear camps of Us vs. Them, which meant that any act by Them would be immediately responded to by Us or vice versa.
Is that really an accurate description of world war 2, though? If I recall my history correctly, the only clear cut alliance that was there from the start was Germany + Italy due to the common fascist values. Other than that it was Germany invading country after country in a continent that really didn't want to be dragged into another war, until finally the British snapped out of it and started to fight back with some vigor. And then, later, Germany betrayed the alliance it had with the communists and invaded Russia, too. And the Americans were begrudgingly forced into participating too, at some point. And there was a whole lot of serious stuff going on with China and Japans, too, but i don't know much about that.
What I'm driving at is that unlike in WW1, the second world war was mostly instigated by one country working almost without allies, with the opposition being composed not by a ready counter alliance, but by those who had the strength to fight back when their turn came to be the focus of the third Reich.
There was one clear cut alliance (and one I'd be kicking myself for if I were Germany later on). Japan and Germany were allied and were going to split the world between them. They probably didn't feel threatened much by each other since they were on opposite sides of the world.
However, that led to one pretty cool story. Just because they were allied didn't mean the Japanese hated the Jews. The Japanese ambassador supposedly had the power to write slips of paper to help Germans go elsewhere...and used that power to help many Jews get out of Germany. Probably saved many lives that way.
However, Japan sort of drew Germany right along with it when they attacked the US.
IN addition, even though the story above is pretty neat...the Japanese were just as bad as the Germans in extermination and worse in the treatment of POWs...so pretty nasty in that way.
Just because they were nice to some Jews doesn't mean that the Japanese Government didn't commit war crimes on a scale equivalent to the Nazis.
From the genocide, enslavement, and destruction of the Chinese, Indonesians, Koreans, Tiwanese, and Pacific Islanders to sexual enslavement of millions of "comfort women" to the murder and torture of POWs, to the institutionalised Cannibalism of Allied soldiers.
None of this they have taken responsibility for or apologised for.
World War Three
It begins in a little town in Missouri...
police begin arresting journalists in Ferguson protests
I just saw a thing where Gazans were tweeting advice on how to deal with tear gas to the residents of Ferguson.
... a monument to a weevil. Seeing that just made my bucket list.
How do the police get away with this? We need an NRA style organization for the right to assemble.
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I just saw a thing where Gazans were tweeting advice on how to deal with tear gas to the residents of Ferguson.World War Three
It begins in a little town in Missouri...
police begin arresting journalists in Ferguson protests
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Just because they were nice to some Jews doesn't mean that the Japanese Government didn't commit war crimes on a scale equivalent to the Nazis.
From the genocide, enslavement, and destruction of the Chinese, Indonesians, Koreans, Tiwanese, and Pacific Islanders to sexual enslavement of millions of "comfort women" to the murder and torture of POWs, to the institutionalised Cannibalism of Allied soldiers.
None of this they have taken responsibility for or apologised for.
I have a copy of the soviet trials of Japanese involved in a biological weapons program.
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How do the police get away with this? We need an NRA style organization for the right to assemble.Talk to the ACLU.
But for actual NRA style groups, I've heard rumors the Bundy militia types are on their way to Ferguson. That's going to calm things down.
Who would the support though? Federal and state police? Or protesters?
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I would actually be moved to tears if second amendment supporters were willing to recognize both the other nine amendment AND that they apply to black people.
