Uh, T! He gets Quarry (11th), Hide in Plain Sight (17th), and Improved Quarry (19th). Look at the table. Remember, if something isn't changed from the primary class, we don't make any comment on the ability, just like archetypes. :D#Highwayman
looks good so far, it's nice to see a character who need not jump right into the fray but can get enemies to surrender before bloodshed.
I would wager adding 'Hide In Plain Sight', 'Quarry' and 'Improved Quarry' could be additional rogue talents available to this class maybe?
Oh yeahhhh.... whoopsie! I usually miss things like that, my bad
I think giving them a feat to get around charisma dependency then give them an ability based on it is strange.
Which specifically?
bleh, I don't know i'm just not feeling very dragony coming off of these.
P.S. a lot of my stuff was based off this.
maybe, we could add something like the compulsions from the book. in which a dragon must choose a dragon emotion to aspect. The choice is limited by alignment, such as chaotic evil has Destruction, while lawful good has honor. it basically has them make will saves to not do something if they can, like honor has you save to not interject to stop someone completing dishonorable acts, temperamental has you save to not overreacting to heated discussions and insults. the compulsions come with both an element for their resistances and breath weapons and a dragon type their appearance should somewhat reflect.
bleh, I don't know i'm just not feeling very dragony coming off of these.
P.S. a lot of my stuff was based off this.
maybe, we could add something like the compulsions from the book. in which a dragon must choose a dragon emotion to aspect. The choice is limited by alignment, such as chaotic evil has Destruction, while lawful good has honor. it basically has them make will saves to not do something if they can, like honor has you save to not interject to stop someone completing dishonorable acts, temperamental has you save to not overreacting to heated discussions and insults. the compulsions come with both an element for their resistances and breath weapons and a dragon type their appearance should somewhat reflect.
I don't have that book.
Here are the changes I've made.
First to the Dragon eidolon ability.
At 1st level, a dracontine electus gains the summoner’s eidolon ability. However, while summoner’s call their eidolons from their plane of existence, dragon eidolons dwell on the Material plane and seek out their own partners. Once chosen, the partner cannot be changed, and a special bond is formed between the eidolon and its dracontine electus. Henceforth, the dragon eidolon becomes the source of its dracontine electus’s magic (see Wyrm Bond).
A dragon eidolon has the same statistics as a normal eidolon, except for the changes shown on Table: Dragon Eidolon Base and hereafter.
A dragon eidolon always has the following base form to determine its starting size, speed, AC, attacks, and ability scores. All natural attacks are made using the eidolon’s full base attack bonus unless otherwise noted (such as in the case of secondary attacks), as normal.
Dragon
Starting Statistics: Size Medium; Speed 30 ft.; AC +2 armor bonus; Saves Fort (good), Ref (good), Will (good); Attack bite (1d6); Ability Scores Str 14, Dex 14 Con 13, Int 7, Wis 10, Cha 11; Free Evolutions bite, limbs (legs) (2), tail. Evolution Qualification This base form is treated as both the quadruped and serpentine base form for the purpose of qualifying for evolutions.
As the dragon eidolon gains power, it must spend its evolution points on specific evolutions to function more like a dragon. The eidolon may select any evolutions it chooses, but is restricted from selecting the following evolutions: hooves, no breath, pincers, tentacles, web. The eidolon may also choose one of the following dragon eidolon models with pre-built examples of evolutions that provide an easy guide to building a dragon eidolon with a specific appearance or theme.
Using a model does not change the eidolon’s type or give it special abilities unavailable to other eidolons—it is basically a shortcut to allow a player or GM to quickly create a dragon eidolon with a specific look in mind. Each model states the total number of evolution points required to build a complete dragon eidolon with that model; in many cases this build requires most of the dracontine electus’s evolution points, so only a more powerful dracontine electus’s eidolon is a close approximation of the intended creature. For a low-level dracontine electus, some of the eidolon’s features (such as extra hydra heads) may be cosmetic until he gains evolution points to spend. Each of these models uses the Dragon base form.
Primary Evolutions are a list of recommended evolutions to choose when the eidolon starts evolving into a dragon eidolon with that model.
Additional Evolutions are a list of other evolutions to complete the modeled eidolon’s form and abilities.
Air Dragon
26 points: Primary Evolutions claws, flight, tail slap; Secondary Evolutions basic dragon magic, breath weapon, grab, immunity, magic attacks, major dragon magic, minor dragon magic, resistance, spell resistance, wing buffet.
Earth Dragon
26 points: Primary Evolutions claws, climb, slam; Secondary Evolutions basic dragon magic, breath weapon, burrow, immunity, magic attacks, minor dragon magic, pounce, rend, resistance, see in darkness, spell resistance, tremor sense.
Fire Dragon
26 points: Primary Evolutions claws, energy attacks, tail slap; Secondary Evolutions basic dragon magic, breath weapon, flight, frightful presence, immunity, magic attacks, minor dragon magic, resistance, spell resistance.
Nature Dragon
26 points: Primary Evolutions basic dragon magic, flight, sting; Secondary Evolutions dimension door, immunity, major dragon magic, minor dragon magic, poison, resistance, scent, ultimate dragon magic, web.
Water Dragon
26 points: Primary Evolutions claws, gills, swim; Secondary Evolutions basic dragon magic, breath weapon, constrict, immunity, keen scent, magic attacks, major dragon magic, minor dragon magic, resistance, scent, spell resistance.
Undead Dragon
26 points: Primary Evolutions claws, magic attacks, unnatural aura; Secondary Evolutions basic dragon magic, channel resistance, flight, immunity, incorporeal form, life sense, minor dragon magic, resistance, see in darkness, undead appearance.
A dragon eidolon can also select the following new evolutions.
Basic Dragon Magic (Sp): This functions as the basic magic evolution, but adds the following spells to the list that can be selected: breeze, drench, haunted fey aspect, penumbra.
Major Dragon Magic (Sp): This functions as the major magic evolution, but adds the following spells to the list that can be selected: elemental touch, fog cloud, forest friend, ghoul touch, gust of wind, produce flames.
Minor Dragon Magic (Sp): This functions as the minor magic evolution, but adds the following spells to the list that can be selected: burning hands, charm person, feather fall, hydraulic push, ray of enfeeblement, sleep, stone fist.
Ultimate Dragon Magic (Sp): This functions as the ultimate magic evolution, but adds the following spells to the list that can be selected: plant growth, ray of exhaustion, shifting sand, vampiric touch.
A dragon eidolon’s physical appearance is up to the eidolon, not the dracontine electus, but it always appears as some sort of dragon creature. In addition, a dragon eidolon gains the following special abilities.
Unbreakable Bond (Su): Once a dragon eidolon bonds with a dracontine electus, the lives of both become permanently tied to each other. If one is slain (the dracontine electus or the dragon eidolon), the other is subject to a slay living spell with a caster level equal to the dragon eidolon’s Hit Dice. The subject might die from damage even if it succeeds on the Fortitude saving throw. Should one or the other become subject to a death spell or effect (such as a finger of death spell), both must make the required saving throw. If both succeed on the save, there is no effect. If one fails while the other succeeds, then both are subject to any effects bestowed by a successful save (such as the damage dealt by a successful save against the finger of death spell). If both fail, then both are subject to the spells full effect. In addition, this bond extends beyond death. If the dracontine electus or the dragon eidolon is subject to a raise dead or resurrection spell, then both are subject to the spell’s effect.
Unfettered: A dragon eidolon is an unfettered eidolon from the material plane. It cannot be sent back to its home plane, nor is it subject to dismissal or banishment spell like other eidolons. Should the dragon eidolon reaches a number of negative hit points equal to its Constitution score, it is slain, but can be healed by natural and magical means. The dragon eidolon also loses the outsider type and gains the dragon type.
Vestigal Wings (Ex): At 1st level, a dragon eidolon possesses a pair of undersized or stunted wings. These wings do not provide the lift required for actual flight, but do have enough power to aid flight attained by some other method, and grant a +4 racial bonus on Fly skill checks. In addition, the dragon eidolon can make a DC 15 Fly check to fall safely from any height to avoid taking fall damage as if using feather fall. When falling safely, the dragon eidolon can make an additional DC 15 Fly check to glide, moving 5 feet laterally for every 20 feet it falls. When the dragon eidolon gains the flight evolution, this ability can still be used if its wings are damaged, but not destroyed.
Draconic Prowess (Ex): At 2nd level, a dragon eidolon deals 1 1/2 its Strength modifier on damage rolls made with its bite attack, and has the reach of a creature one size larger. This ability replaces evasion.
Draconic Aura (Su): At 14th level, a dragon eidolon is surrounded by an aura of energy. All creatures within 5 feet take 1d6 points of energy damage of the eidolon’s chosen type (acid, cold, electricity, fire, or sonic) at the beginning of the dragon eidolon's turn. At 18th level, this damage increases to 2d6. This does not affect the dracontine electus, and can be suppressed or activated as a free action. This ability replaces improved evasion.
I Also changed the bonus spells from the wyrm bond.
The dracontine electus gains bonus spells from the draconic bloodline or one of the following lists and adds them to her list of spells known.
Air Dragon: feather fall (3rd), gust of wind (5th), gaseous form (7th), air walk (9th), suffocation (11th), chain lightning (13th), form of the dragon II (green or silver only) (15th)), whirlwind (17th), storm of vengeance (19th).
Earth Dragon: stone fist (3rd), elemental touch (acid only) (5th), shifting sand (7th), stoneskin (9th), wall of stone (11th), acid fog/wall of iron (13th), form of the dragon II (blue or copper only) (15th), earthquake (17th), clashing rocks (19th).
Fire Dragon: burning hands (3rd), produce flames (5th), fireball (7th), wall of fire (9th), fire shield (11th), fire seeds (13th), form of the dragon II (brass, gold, or red only) (15th), incendiary cloud (17th), meteor swarm (19th).
Nature Dragon: charm person (3rd), forest friend (5th), plant growth (7th), forgetful slumber (9th), command plants (11th), commune with nature (13th), form of the dragon II* (15th), euphoric tranquility (17th), dominate monster (19th).
Undead Dragon: ray of enfeeblement (3rd), ghoul touch (5th), ray of exhaustion (7th), enervation (9th), blight (11th), plague storm (13th), form of the dragon II* (15th), orb of the void (17th), energy drain (19th).
Water Dragon: hydraulic push (3rd), fog cloud (5th), water breathing (7th), ice storm (9th), cone of cold (11th), control water (13th), form of the dragon II (black, bronze, or white only) (15th), horrid wilting (17th), tsunami (19th).
Alternatively, the dracontine electus gains one bonus spells of each spell level as chosen from one of the following elemental schools: air, earth, fire, water, wood.
yeah, I'm not really feelin' it from the stuff. I mean, you're still basically playing an eidolon focused Summoner, just with a material companion.
which in retrospect might not be a bad idea(though being half sorcerer makes no sense, so leave that to some other MCA in the future).
basically, I want something unique to replace about half the evolution points, that set it up to be a dragon. then the rest allows you to make it any kind of dragon you can think of. perhaps this can be done with custom evolutions, but idk, the time spent on this is looking to make it drawn out. I want this to be done right, and not quickly.
So, if you aren't wanting an eidolon dragon, then how is this remotely a Sorcerer primary/Summoner secondary MCA? I don't see the difference of having a base dragon form and allowing it to evolve into a dragon of what ever type you want through evolutions, and what you are wanting. With only 1 HD, there is only so much "dragon" you can have at 1st level. To get a cohort dragon (via leadership), you have to have a leadership score of 24 (17th level cohort) to get a young blue dragon (Large), as they calculate the dragon's cohort level as 8 + the dragon's CR. We have a full spellcaster trying to get a dragon companion/mount - which is difficult, as most of its power and abilities is tied into spellcasting.
The Shadow Fade (Rog/Sum) has a Shadow Servant - a quasi-shadow creature, but it's nothing near the power of a true shadow. Dragons are one of the hardest creatures to meld into usable functional companios/mounts at low levels, due their innate level of power. I'm not really sure we can do what you want with a permanent and real dragon, keep the proper balance, and not strip the sorcerer of everything except spellcasting - which to me, makes it extremely boring.
The whole banishment aspect of eidolons is what keeps them in check - a permanent dragon that is around all the time, even though it can be truly killed, is overpowered, especially at the HD of an eidolon. At least that's my opinion.
Can we get some others to weigh in on this so we can get other opinions and perspectives? I think we may have hit an impasse, and may just need to move on.
I think giving them a feat to get around charisma dependency then give them an ability based on it is strange.Which specifically?
whoops i guess intimidating prowess adds not substitutes, still considering the bevy of int and wis requirements that come with rogue talents it couldn't hurt to change the duration of the later ability to something else like lasting one round for every 3 levels of ranger he possesses or something.
So, if you aren't wanting an eidolon dragon, then how is this remotely a Sorcerer primary/Summoner secondary MCA? I don't see the difference of having a base dragon form and allowing it to evolve into a dragon of what ever type you want through evolutions, and what you are wanting. With only 1 HD, there is only so much "dragon" you can have at 1st level. To get a cohort dragon (via leadership), you have to have a leadership score of 24 (17th level cohort) to get a young blue dragon (Large), as they calculate the dragon's cohort level as 8 + the dragon's CR. We have a full spellcaster trying to get a dragon companion/mount - which is difficult, as most of its power and abilities is tied into spellcasting.
The Shadow Fade (Rog/Sum) has a Shadow Servant - a quasi-shadow creature, but it's nothing near the power of a true shadow. Dragons are one of the hardest creatures to meld into usable functional companios/mounts at low levels, due their innate level of power. I'm not really sure we can do what you want with a permanent and real dragon, keep the proper balance, and not strip the sorcerer of everything except spellcasting - which to me, makes it extremely boring.
The whole banishment aspect of eidolons is what keeps them in check - a permanent dragon that is around all the time, even though it can be truly killed, is overpowered, especially at the HD of an eidolon. At least that's my opinion.
Can we get some others to weigh in on this so we can get other opinions and perspectives? I think we may have hit an impasse, and may just need to move on.
it's not about what they get at level 1, it's the fact that we're relying entirely on evolutions to fill in the middle ground, which basically is just an eidolon. (I did change later for them to only get 15 or so evolution points)
I feel that size is just as much a problem as it is a boon when it is permanent. you cannot teleport your dragon and thus it may be hard to get into dungeons, or trying to do anything near a city could be an issue.
the book basically gives the average dragon an archetype for multiple classes that gives them 4 size increases (with them starting at small) and some stats to go with the size increase. a larger size is about a +1 average damage to all natural weapons and gave a +1 or so mod to strength, but touch AC, and AC in general is a problem when armor sucks. This means you get a capstone of 20 for Gargantuan(which I think is a fine capstone), and only getting huge at 15.
I'll just share how they organize part of that ability, I think I did overstep my bounds in forgetting that eidolons already get a strength increase, so maybe forget that part entirely.
At 5th level, the draconic hero
increases his size to Medium, adjusting the base damage
of his natural attacks accordingly. He gains two
secondary wing attacks that deal 1d4 points of damage,
or gains a primary gore attack that deals 1d6 points of
damage if he has the Lung alternate racial trait. The
reach of his bite attack (and gore, if any) increases to 10
feet. He gains a +2 size bonus to Strength and a +2 size
bonus to his natural armor bonus to AC. He gains the
ability to fly with a base speed of 60 feet and average
maneuverability. This flight is considered a supernatural
ability.
and maybe i'll share a link to the race posted on the d20pfsrd, to show how they sort of limit them.
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The 3rd party class Dragonrider does a good job at limiting the dragon companion's power/ability and offering a decent scaling mechanic.
There s also this:
Dragon
The eidolon appears to be a Medium dragon. Making a Small dragon eidolon creates a fairy dragon or pseudodragon. Large or Huge dragons can be created by exchanging one or more of the evolutions below for the large evolution.
26 points: Base Form quadruped; Primary Evolutions claws, tail, tail slap; Secondary Evolutions basic magic (any), blindsense, breath weapon, flight, frightful presence, immunity, magic attacks, minor magic (any), spell resistance, wing buffet.
So are the Faceless Thrall and its spells going up on the wiki? :C
I'm a blind fool.
The 3rd party class Dragonrider does a good job at limiting the dragon companion's power/ability and offering a decent scaling mechanic.
There s also this:
Dragon
The eidolon appears to be a Medium dragon. Making a Small dragon eidolon creates a fairy dragon or pseudodragon. Large or Huge dragons can be created by exchanging one or more of the evolutions below for the large evolution.26 points: Base Form quadruped; Primary Evolutions claws, tail, tail slap; Secondary Evolutions basic magic (any), blindsense, breath weapon, flight, frightful presence, immunity, magic attacks, minor magic (any), spell resistance, wing buffet.
that's just my point, you can make a dragon out of an eidolon, i want something more than not being banished when you sleep to thematically show it IS a dragon through mechanics.
So are the Faceless Thrall and its spells going up on the wiki? :C
It's up
that's just my point, you can make a dragon out of an eidolon, i want something more than not being banished when you sleep to thematically show it IS a dragon through mechanics.The 3rd party class Dragonrider does a good job at limiting the dragon companion's power/ability and offering a decent scaling mechanic.
There s also this:
Dragon
The eidolon appears to be a Medium dragon. Making a Small dragon eidolon creates a fairy dragon or pseudodragon. Large or Huge dragons can be created by exchanging one or more of the evolutions below for the large evolution.26 points: Base Form quadruped; Primary Evolutions claws, tail, tail slap; Secondary Evolutions basic magic (any), blindsense, breath weapon, flight, frightful presence, immunity, magic attacks, minor magic (any), spell resistance, wing buffet.
What about making the evolutions permanent? Start with base Dragon form, then add evolutions (permanent) that create a unique dragon. Make it a dragon (not outsider), and the evolutions are simply evolutions into the dragon's true form and are unchanged once chosen (Though resistance can be replaced by immunity, and size evolution can upgrade as well). Thus, the PC would have to wait until he reaches certain levels before being able to choose certain evolutions. Still allows us to use evolutions, but the effects are permanent, and can be customized according to the dragon's desires. We could even add in some new "evolutions" for this purpose. Perhaps some abilities from other dragons (like from faerie dragons, pseudodragons, and other non-true dragons).
Finally getting a chance to look at your recent links. Is the Dragon (Taninim) what you are basing your "dragon eidolon" on? So, is this a PC race, allowing you to play a "dragon" character? If so, then I can probably work them into the eidolon framework, with reduced evolution points (and allow the evolutions to be used to choose what they want to become, possibly choosing their individual archetype or something?). I need all the info for me to really work this MCA into what you want. I think it can be done with a bunch of work, but I need to know more on how they work the Taninim into a PC race.
EDIT: While I have no idea what they include, I would think we could incorporate aspects from the Taninim's Draconic Hero racial archetype and the Scaled Juggernaut fighter archetype, whether as static abilities or as evolution choices as a way to incorporate spending points to gain abilities. These would again be permanent.
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With the help of Elghinn I have this for the Astute Sentry:
Astute sentries are warriors without peer in their combat training, focusing on only two paths to the exclusion of all others. Once the paths have been chosen, they follow them with complete devotion, no matter where their journey takes them. Since astute sentries are less reliant on armor, they dedicate their time to training in their weapons of choice. By focusing on one combat style and then the other, the astute sentry improves his prowess with his weapons of focus by obtaining strong versatility with them, despite his limited choice of weapons.
whoops i guess intimidating prowess adds not substitutes, still considering the bevy of int and wis requirements that come with rogue talents it couldn't hurt to change the duration of the later ability to something else like lasting one round for every 3 levels of ranger he possesses or something.I think giving them a feat to get around charisma dependency then give them an ability based on it is strange.Which specifically?
Which ability are you referring the change to Christos? Bold my emphasis. With two MCA on the go at a time, plus others worked on behind the scenes (mine and others), I need specific references please. :D
Anything further on the Highwayman? Aside from Christo's suggestion. If not, we'll move on to the next in a day.
the Draconic Hero archetype basically gives you size categories as you level, at 5th/10th/15th/20th levels.
I don't really like posting something like this, but i guess it will do.
Draconic Hero
The draconic hero is a multi-class archetype that allows
non-paragon taninim to grow in size, stature and power.
A taninim who multiclasses applies this archetype to
every applicable class, adding the class’ levels together
to determine the archetype abilities gained. The
draconic hero is automatically proficient with any
natural attacks granted by this archetype.
Draconic Essence: The draconic hero gains a
draconic essence appropriate to his alignment (see the
draconic exemplar paragon class, draconic essence class
feature). If the draconic hero already has a draconic essence gained through another class, he does not gain a
second one.
Dracomorphosis (Ex): At 5th level, the draconic hero
increases his size to Medium, adjusting the base damage
of his natural attacks accordingly. He gains two
secondary wing attacks that deal 1d4 points of damage,
or gains a primary gore attack that deals 1d6 points of
damage if he has the Lung alternate racial trait. The
reach of his bite attack (and gore, if any) increases to 10
feet. He gains a +2 size bonus to Strength and a +2 size
bonus to his natural armor bonus to AC. He gains the
ability to fly with a base speed of 60 feet and average
maneuverability. This flight is considered a supernatural
ability.
At 10th level, the draconic hero increases his size to
Large, adjusting his space and the base damage of his
natural attacks accordingly. He gains a secondary tail
slap attack that deals 1d8 points of damage. He gains an
additional +2 size bonus to Strength, a +2 size bonus to
Constitution, and reduces his Dexterity by 2. He has
poor maneuverability while flying. His size bonus to his
natural armor bonus to AC increases to +5.
At 15th level, the draconic hero increases his size to
Huge, adjusting his space and the base damage of his
natural attacks accordingly. His reach increases to 10
feet (15 feet for his bite attack and gore attack, if any).
He gains an additional +2 size bonus to Strength and
further reduces his Dexterity by 2 (4 total). His size
bonus to his natural armor bonus to AC increases to +8.
The draconic hero also gains the ability to crush smaller
creatures with its bulk by jumping or landing on them as
a standard action. Crush attacks are effective only
against opponents three or more size categories smaller
than the draconic hero, and affect as many creatures as
fit in his space. Creatures in the affected area must
succeed on a Reflex save (DC 10 + ½ the draconic hero’s
class level + the draconic hero’s Constitution modifier)
or be pinned, automatically taking 2d8 + 1 ½ times the
draconic hero’s Strength bonus bludgeoning damage. If
the draconic hero chooses to maintain the pin, he must
succeed at a combat maneuver check as normal. Pinned
creatures take damage from the crush each round if they
don’t escape.
At 20th level, the draconic hero increases his size to
Gargantuan, adjusting his space and the base damage of
his natural attacks accordingly. His reach increases to 15
feet (20 feet for his bite attack and gore attack, if any).
He gains an additional +2 size bonus to Strength, an
additional +2 size bonus to Constitution, and further
reduces his Dexterity by 2 (6 total). He has clumsy
maneuverability while flying. His size bonus to his
natural armor bonus to AC increases to +11. His crush
damage increases to 4d6 + 1 ½ times his Strength
bonus.
The draconic hero also gains the ability to sweep with its
tail as a standard action. The sweep affects a half-circle
with a radius of 30 feet, extending from an intersection
on the edge of the draconic hero’s space in any direction.
Creatures within the swept area are affected if they are
four or more size categories smaller than the draconic
hero. A tail sweep automatically deals 2d8 plus 1 ½
times the draconic hero’s Strength bonus bludgeoning
damage. Affected creatures can attempt Reflex saves
(DC 10 + ½ the draconic hero’s class level + the
draconic hero’s Constitution modifier) to take half
damage.
The draconic hero’s dracomorphosis does not stack with
the draconic exemplar ability of the same name.
Powerful Spellcasting (Su): At 5th level, the draconic
hero gains a +1 bonus on caster level checks to overcome
spell resistance. This bonus increases by +1 for every five
additional levels (maximum +4 at 20th level).
{stuff relating to sorcerer and summoner levels}
Sorcerer - The sorcerer must select the draconic
bloodline. Replace the sorcerer’s bloodline powers
gained at 3rd, 15th and 20th level, and bloodline feats
gained at 7th, 13th and 19th level.
The sorcerer also has diminished spellcasting, casting
one fewer spell per day of each level than normal. If this
reduces the number to 0, he may cast spells of that level
only if his Charisma allows bonus spells of that level.
Summoner – Modify the summoner’s eidolon class
feature to use an effective level of ½ the summoner’s
level (minimum 1) for the purposes of determining his
eidolon’s abilities, Hit Dice, and evolution pool. Replace
the summoner’s aspect, greater aspect, merge forms,
and twin eidolon class abilities. (I basically just thought of reversing this and still removing the the same class abilities)
and yes, i got the idea for the dragon rider while reading the book.
scaled juggernaut is a fighter archetype that replaces armor mastery with nat armor and DR, and weapon stuff with claws, +1/hit/dmg at levels you normally pick a group, and things like pounce at level 17 and rake at 13. it's pretty beefy, but doesn't do anything special, so basically a normal fighter. Note: scaled juggernaut doesn't increase size either.
#Dracontine Electus
I'll see what I can do with the Taninim racial stuff on the d20pfsrd site and what you've posted.
whoops i guess intimidating prowess adds not substitutes, still considering the bevy of int and wis requirements that come with rogue talents it couldn't hurt to change the duration of the later ability to something else like lasting one round for every 3 levels of ranger he possesses or something.I think giving them a feat to get around charisma dependency then give them an ability based on it is strange.Which specifically?Which ability are you referring the change to Christos? Bold my emphasis. With two MCA on the go at a time, plus others worked on behind the scenes (mine and others), I need specific references please. :D
Anything further on the Highwayman? Aside from Christo's suggestion. If not, we'll move on to the next in a day.
fearsome attack, i read it as knowing how to scare your favored enemy as an extension of favored enemy rather than inherent force of will.
#Dracontine Electus
I think I may have a good handle on this one with Bandw2's info. Stay tuned tomorrow. This'll be my last attempt at getting this right for him. Otherwise, I'll have to move on and chalk this one up to "irreconcilable differences". :D
Snake Charmer looks to be going towards Hunter/Bard rather than anything else, but will have other classes ready for when it hits my turn, just in case people were getting excited for it :P
EDIT: While there's a bit of a pause, I was wondering if we're allowing the use of material from the tech handbook in moderation, I'd like to work on an Investigator/Gunslinger MCA with a bit of a tech-style scientist theme.
Snake Charmer looks to be going towards Hunter/Bard rather than anything else, but will have other classes ready for when it hits my turn, just in case people were getting excited for it :P
EDIT: While there's a bit of a pause, I was wondering if we're allowing the use of material from the tech handbook in moderation, I'd like to work on an Investigator/Gunslinger MCA with a bit of a tech-style scientist theme.
With moderation.
"All things in moderation....MODERATION INCLUDED!" -Apollo
Yeah that guy gon' wind up a technosavantic mad scientist
I'll try not to go too far with it, I'm not gonna be busting out legions of robots and going all JC Denton with hacking and stuff, it'll be fairly tame.
I admit that I feel any sort of higher technology (not supported by magic) is out of place, even the gunslinger bothers me a bit, in a more fantasy setting and I hope we don't see any robots.
YOU ROBOTIST!
I'm actually fine with technology as it does exist in-universe.
Alright, here's the last kick at the cat. I hope Bandw2 likes it. I think its much more in line with what he's looking for, utilizes evolutions (sort of). Even so, it is far removed from having much summoner in it. I'd almost say this was more of an archetype, as it replaces the whole bloodline (everything).
Primary: Sorcerer.
Secondary: Summoner.
Alignment: Any.
Hit Dice: d6.
Bonus Skills and Ranks: The dracontine electus selects three summoner skills to add to her class skills in addition to the normal sorcerer class skills. The dracontine electus gains a number of ranks at each level equal to +2 Int modifier.
Weapon and Armor Proficiency: The dracontine electus is proficient with all simple weapons. A dracontine electus is not proficient with any type of armor or shield. Armor interferes with a dracontine electus's movements, which can cause her spells with somatic components to fail.
Spellcasting: A dracontine electus learns and casts spells as a sorcerer of equal level, but adds the following spells to the sorcerer/wizard spell list at the indicated spell levels: 1st–life conduit, rejuvenate eidolon (lesser); 2nd–evolution surge (lesser), restore eidolon (lesser), summon eidolon; 3rd–evolution surge, rejuvenate eidolon; 4th–life conduit (improved), restore eidolon; 5th–summoner conduit; 6th–evolution surge (greater); 7th–life conduit (greater). Spells that affect a summoner’s eidolon instead affects the dracontine electus’s draconic companion. A dracontine electus also gains bonus spells if she has a high Charisma score.
Draconic Companion (Su): A dracontine electus begins play with a draconic companion. This companion is a unique race of dragons that forms a link with the dracontine electus, who, forever after, is bonded to the same creature. A draconic companion always has the same alignment as the dracontine electus that bonds with it and can speak all of his languages.
Unlike eidolons, draconic companions are creatures of the dragon type (it is not an outsider) and cannot be sent back to their home plane, nor are they subject to banishment or dismissal spells. Should the draconic companion be reduced to a number of negative hit points equal to its Constitution score, it is slain, but can be healed by natural and magical means. In addition, due the bond between the draconic companion and its dracontine electus, they always know the direction of the other from their current position. This functions as a constant know direction spell, with the companion’s or dracontine electus’s direction considered north.
A draconic companion takes damage as a dragon, but can be healed naturally or through magical means. If the draconic companion is slain, it can be brought back to life with a raise dead or resurrections spell (or similar magic). The draconic companion always takes the form of a Small dragon. The companion’s Hit Dice, saving throws, skills, feats, and abilities are tied to the dracontine electus’s class level and increase as the dracontine electus gains levels. In addition, each draconic companion receives a pool of evolution points, based on the dracontine electus’s class level that can be used to give the companion different abilities and powers. Whenever the dracontine electus gains a level, he must decide how these points are spent, and they are set until he gains another level of dracontine electus. The draconic companion is properly skilled and to serve as a combat-trained mount, but must be at least one size category larger than its rider.
The draconic companion’s physical appearance is up to the companion itself, and not the dracontine electus, but it always appears as some sort of dragon type creature. The draconic companion also bears a glowing rune that is identical to a rune that appears on the dracontine electus’s forehead as long as the companion remains alive. While this rune can be hidden through mundane means, it cannot be concealed through magic that changes appearance, such as alter self or polymorph (although invisibility does conceal it as long as the spell lasts). This ability replaces the bloodline powers gained at 1st, 3rd, and 15th level.
Draconic Summoner: Whenever a dracontine electus casts summon monster, she can instead choose to summon humanoids of the reptilian subtype and creatures of the dragon type, as shown on Table: Summon Monster Alternatives below.
Table: Summon Monster Alternatives
1st Level Type (Subtype) Source
Kobold Humanoid (reptilian) B1
Nagaji Humanoid (reptilian) B4
Wyvaran Dragon B4
2nd Level Type (Subtype) Source
Lizardfolk Humanoid (reptilian) B1
Pseudodragon Dragon B1
Troglodyte Humanoid (reptilian) B1
3rd Level Type (Subtype) Source
Faerie dragon Dragon B3
Nycar Dragon B4
Shadow drake Dragon B4
Tatzlwyrm Dragon B3
Wyrmling crystal dragon Dragon B1
Wyrmling white dragon Dragon B1
4th Level Type (Subtype) Source
Drake, forest Dragon B2
River drake Dragon B3
Very young crystal dragon Dragon B2
Very young white dragon Dragon B1
Wyrmling black dragon Dragon B1
Wyrmling brass dragon Dragon B1
Wyrmling brine dragon Dragon B2
Wyrmling underworld dragon Dragon B3
5th Level Type (Subtype) Source
Drake, flame Dragon B2
Drake, sea Dragon B2
Mist drake Dragon B4
Very young black dragon Dragon B1
Very young brass dragon Dragon B1
Very young brine dragon Dragon B2
Very young underworld dragon Dragon B3
Wyrmling copper dragon Dragon B1
Wyrmling green dragon Dragon B1
Wyrmling magma dragon Dragon B2
Wyrmling sea dragon Dragon B3
Wyvern Dragon B1
Young crystal dragon Dragon B2
Young white dragon Dragon B1
6th Level Type (Subtype) Source
Desert drake Dragon B3
Dracolisk Dragon B1
Drake, frost Dragon B2
Spire drake Dragon B4
Very young copper dragon Dragon B1
Very young green dragon Dragon B1
Very young magma dragon Dragon B2
Very young sea dragon Dragon B3
Wyrmling blue dragon Dragon B1
Wyrmling bronze dragon Dragon B1
Wyrmling cloud dragon Dragon B2
Wyrmling lunar dragon Dragon B4
Wyrmling sky dragon Dragon B3
Wyrmling solar dragon Dragon B4
Wyrmling void dragon Dragon B4
Young adult crystal dragon Dragon B2
Young adult white dragon Dragon B1
Young black dragon Dragon B1
Young brass dragon Dragon B1
Young brine dragon Dragon B2
Young underworld dragon Dragon B3
7th Level Type (Subtype) Source
Dragon turtle Dragon B1
Juvenile black dragon Dragon B1
Juvenile brass dragon Dragon B1
Juvenile brine dragon Dragon B2
Juvenile underworld dragon Dragon B3
Lava drake Dragon B4
Peluda Dragon B4
Rift drake Dragon B3
Very young blue dragon Dragon B1
Very young bronze dragon Dragon B1
Very young cloud dragon Dragon B2
Very young lunar dragon Dragon B4
Very young sky dragon Dragon B3
Very young solar dragon Dragon B4
Very young void dragon Dragon B4
Very young vortex dragon Dragon B4
Wyrmling forest dragon Dragon B3
Wyrmling red dragon Dragon B1
Wyrmling silver dragon Dragon B1
Wyrmling umbral dragon Dragon B2
Young adult crystal dragon Dragon B2
Young adult white dragon Dragon B1
Young copper dragon Dragon B1
Young green dragon Dragon B1
Young magma dragon Dragon B2
Young sea dragon Dragon B3
8th Level Type (Subtype) Source
Adult crystal dragon Dragon B2
Adult white dragon Dragon B1
Juvenile copper dragon Dragon B1
Juvenile green dragon Dragon B1
Juvenile magma dragon Dragon B2
Juvenile sea dragon Dragon B3
Very young forest dragon Dragon B3
Very young red dragon Dragon B1
Very young silver dragon Dragon B1
Very young umbral dragon Dragon B2
Very young vortex dragon Dragon B4
Wyrmling gold dragon Dragon B1
Wyrmling sovereign dragon Dragon B3
Wyrmling time dragon Dragon B4
Young adult black dragon Dragon B1
Young adult brass dragon Dragon B1
Young adult brine dragon Dragon B2
Young adult underworld dragon Dragon B3
Young blue dragon Dragon B1
Young bronze dragon Dragon B1
Young cloud dragon Dragon B2
Young lunar dragon Dragon B4
Young sky dragon Dragon B3
Young solar dragon Dragon B4
Young void dragon Dragon B4
9th Level Type (Subtype) Source
Adult black dragon Dragon B1
Adult brass dragon Dragon B1
Adult brine dragon Dragon B2
Adult underworld dragon Dragon B3
Juvenile blue dragon Dragon B1
Juvenile bronze dragon Dragon B1
Juvenile cloud dragon Dragon B2
Juvenile lunar dragon Dragon B4
Juvenile sky dragon Dragon B3
Juvenile solar dragon Dragon B4
Juvenile void dragon Dragon B4
Mature adult crystal dragon Dragon B2
Mature adult white dragon Dragon B1
Very young gold dragon Dragon B1
Very young sovereign dragon Dragon B3
Very young time dragon Dragon B4
Young adult copper dragon Dragon B1
Young adult green dragon Dragon B1
Young adult magma dragon Dragon B2
Young adult sea dragon Dragon B3
Young forest dragon Dragon B3
Young red dragon Dragon B1
Young silver dragon Dragon B1
Young umbral dragon Dragon B2
Young vortex dragon Dragon B4
* B1 (Bestiary), B2 (Bestiary 2), B3 (Bestiary 3), B4 (Bestiary 4
Wyrm Bond (Su): Starting at 1st level, a dracontine electus forms a close bond with his draconic companion. Once this bond is formed, it cannot be changed. Henceforth, the draconic companion becomes the source of its dracontine electus’s magic. Most draconic companions increase in size when their dracontine electus reaches 6th or 14th level, depending on whether the companion’s desire to grow.
Whenever the draconic companion takes enough damage to reduce it to 0 hit points or less, the dracontine electus can sacrifice any number of hit points. Each hit point sacrificed in this way prevents 1 point of damage done to the draconic companion. This can prevent the draconic companion from being slain.
In addition, the draconic companion and the dracontine electus must remain within 100 feet of one another for the draconic companion to remain at full strength. If the draconic companion is beyond 100 feet but closer than 1,000 feet, its current and maximum hit point totals are reduced by 50%. If the draconic companion is more than 1,000 feet away but closer than 10,000 feet, its current and maximum hit point totals are reduced by 75%. If the draconic companion is more than 10,000 feet away, it is immediately falls unconscious, but regains consciousness when the dracontine electus is again within 10,000 feet of its. Current hit points lost in this way are restored when the draconic companion gets closer to its dracontine electus, and its maximum hit point total also returns to normal.
Should the dracontine electus’s draconic companion die, the dracontine electus may not bond with another draconic companion for 30 days or until she gains a dracontine electus level, whichever comes first. During this 30-day period, the dracontine electus’s effective caster level is reduced by 1 (minimum 1). This ability replaces bloodline arcana.
Wyrm Bond Spells: The dracontine electus chooses either the draconic bloodline or one of the following dragon-based spell lists and adds the related spells to her list of spells known.
Air Dragon: feather fall (3rd), gust of wind (5th), gaseous form (7th), air walk (9th), suffocation (11th), chain lightning (13th), form of the dragon II (green or silver only) (15th)), whirlwind (17th), storm of vengeance (19th).
Earth Dragon: stone fist (3rd), elemental touch (acid only) (5th), shifting sand (7th), stoneskin (9th), wall of stone (11th), acid fog/wall of iron (13th), form of the dragon II (blue or copper only) (15th), earthquake (17th), clashing rocks (19th).
Fire Dragon: burning hands (3rd), produce flames (5th), fireball (7th), wall of fire (9th), fire shield (11th), fire seeds (13th), form of the dragon II (brass, gold, or red only) (15th), incendiary cloud (17th), meteor swarm (19th).
Nature Dragon: charm person (3rd), forest friend (5th), plant growth (7th), forgetful slumber (9th), command plants (11th), commune with nature (13th), form of the dragon II* (15th), euphoric tranquility (17th), dominate monster (19th).
Undead Dragon: ray of enfeeblement (3rd), ghoul touch (5th), ray of exhaustion (7th), enervation (9th), blight (11th), plague storm (13th), form of the dragon II* (15th), orb of the void (17th), energy drain (19th).
Water Dragon: hydraulic push (3rd), fog cloud (5th), water breathing (7th), ice storm (9th), cone of cold (11th), control water (13th), form of the dragon II (black, bronze, or white only) (15th), horrid wilting (17th), tsunami (19th).
Alternatively, the dracontine electus gains one bonus spells of each spell level as chosen from one of the following elemental schools: air, earth, fire, water, wood.
Powerful Spellcasting (Su): At 5th level, the draconic hero gains a +1 bonus on caster level checks to overcome spell resistance. This bonus increases by +1 for every six additional levels (maximum +3 at 17th level). This ability replaces bloodline feats.
Draconic Influence (Ex): At 9th level, a dracontine electus gains resistance 10 to one type of energy (acid, cold, electricity, fire, or sonic). This ability replaces the bloodline power gained at 9th level.
Draconic Eminence (Su): At 20th level, a dracontine electus can assume the form of her draconic companion once per day, as the shapechange spell. She gains all the abilities (and any evolutions) of her draconic companion, but retains her class features and ability scores adjusted for any size change. This ability replaces the bloodline power gained at 20th level.
Table: Dracontine Electus
Base
Class Attack Fort Ref Will Spells per Day
Level Bonus Save Save Save Special 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th 9th
1st +0 +0 +0 +2 Cantrips, draconic companion, draconic summoner, 3 — — — — — — — —
eschew material, wyrm bond
2nd +1 +0 +0 +3 4 — — — — — — — —
3rd +1 +1 +1 +3 Wyrm bond spell 5 — — — — — — — —
4th +2 +1 +1 +4 6 3 — — — — — — —
5th +2 +1 +1 +4 Powerful spellcasting (+1), wyrm bond spell 6 4 — — — — — — —
6th +3 +2 +2 +5 6 5 3 — — — — — —
7th +3 +2 +2 +5 Wyrm bond spell 6 6 4 — — — — — —
8th +4 +2 +2 +6 6 6 5 3 — — — — —
9th +4 +3 +3 +6 Wyrm bond spell 6 6 6 4 — — — — —
10th +5 +3 +3 +7 6 6 6 5 3 — — — —
11th +5 +3 +3 +7 Powerful spellcasting (+2), wyrm bond spell 6 6 6 6 4 — — — —
12th +6/+1 +4 +4 +8 6 6 6 6 5 3 — — —
13th +6/+1 +4 +4 +8 Wyrm bond spell 6 6 6 6 6 4 — — —
14th +7/+2 +4 +4 +9 6 6 6 6 6 5 3 — —
15th +7/+2 +5 +5 +9 Wyrm bond spell 6 6 6 6 6 6 4 — —
16th +8/+3 +5 +5 +10 6 6 6 6 6 6 5 3 —
17th +8/+3 +5 +5 +10 Powerful spellcasting (+3), wyrm bond spell 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 4 —
18th +9/+4 +6 +6 +11 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 5 3
19th +9/+4 +6 +6 +11 Wyrm bond spell 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 4
20th +10/+5 +6 +6 +12 Draconic eminence 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6
A draconic companion’s abilities are determined by the dracontine electus’s level and by the choices made using its evolution pool. Table: Draconic Companion Base Statistics determines many of the base statistics of the draconic companion. Each draconic companion possesses a base form that modifies these base statistics. Draconic companions are dragons for the purpose of determining which spells affect them. A draconic companion’s qualities are similar to those described in the Eidolons description block of the Advanced Player’s Guide, but with the following changes.
Skills: The following skills are class skills for draconic companions: Appraise, Bluff, Climb, Craft, Diplomacy, Fly, Heal, Intimidate, Knowledge (all), Linguistics, Perception, Sense Motive, Spellcraft, Stealth, Survival, Swim, and Use Magic Device.
Natural Armor Bonus: The number noted here is the draconic companion’s base total natural armor bonus. This bonus may not be split between an armor bonus and a natural armor bonus. This number is modified by the draconic companion’s base form and some options available through its evolution pool. A draconic companion can wear armor, but with the restrictions described of any kind, as the armor interferes with the summoner’s connection to the draconic companion.
Int/Cha: Add this modifier to the draconic companion’s Intelligence and Charisma scores. Some options available through evolutions might modify these scores.
Special: This includes a number of abilities gained by all draconic companions as they increase in power. Each of these bonuses is described below.
Draconic Senses: Draconic companion have darkvision 60 feet and low-light vision.
Dragon Qualities: Draconic companions gain a number of dragon-like qualities, as described below.
Link (Ex): Draconic companions its dracontine electus share a mental link allows for communication across any distance (as long as they are on the same plane). This communication is a free action, allowing the dracontine electus to give orders to his draconic companion at any time.
Share Spells (Ex): The dracontine electus may cast a spell with a target of “you” on her draconic companion (as a spell with a range of touch) instead of on herself. A dracontine electus may cast spells on her draconic companion even if the spells normally do not affect creatures of the draconic companion’s type (outsider). Spells cast in this way must come from the sorcerer/wizard spell list. This ability does not allow the draconic companion to share abilities that are not spells, even if they function like spells.
Unfettered: Draconic companions can only wear armor designed expressly for draconic bodies, and even then chafe at the restrictions armor can cause to their natural movements. Draconic companion increase the armor check penalty of any worn armor by 2, and suffer a -2 penalty on attack rolls while wearing medium or heavy armor even if they are proficient in it. Draconic companion also reduce their maneuverability rating by one step when flying while wearing medium or heavy armor. These penalties apply regardless of any armor proficiency the draconic companion has.
Dragon Qualities
Draconic companions gain the following dragon-like qualities.
Bite: Draconic companions have a bite primary attack that deals 1d4 points of damage and has reach as a creature one size larger. As dragons, draconic companion add 1 1/2 times their Strength bonus on damage rolls with their bite attack.
Claws: Draconic companions have two claw primary attacks that deals 1d3 points of damage. As dragons, draconic companion add 1 1/2 times their Strength bonus on damage rolls with their claw attacks.
Draconic Awareness: Draconic companion gain a +2 racial bonus on Perception and Sense Motive skill checks.
Draconic Essence: The draconic companion embodies one particular facet of dragonkind personality. Each draconic essence is associated with a particular alignment, energy type, and true dragon type. The draconic companion must select an essence from the following list that has a listed alignment within one step of his alignment. It gains resist energy 5 for his draconic essence’s energy type. This increases to resist energy 10 at 5th level, resist energy 20 at 10th level, and resist energy 30 at 15th level. The draconic companion’s essence also determines the shape and damage die of its breath weapon. The draconic companion also gains a unique compulsion based on its draconic essence that grows harder to resist as its hereditary power grows. The DC to resist a compulsion is 10 + 1/2 the draconic companion’s Hit Dice + the draconic companion’s Charisma modifier. Its physical appearance takes on aspects of the associated true dragon, with the amount of required similarity subject to GM discretion (a significant amount of visual flexibility is encouraged).
• Adventurous – Alignment: chaotic neutral; Energy: electricity; Breath Weapon: cone (1d6); Dragon Type: cloud. Compulsion: the draconic companion must make a Will save to resist exploring or investigating a new location or object of significance.
• Balanced – Alignment: neutral; Energy: sonic; Breath Weapon: cone (1d4); Dragon Type: sovereign. Compulsion: the draconic companion must make a Will save to commit an overtly good or evil deed.
• Brave - Alignment: lawful good; Energy: electricity; Breath Weapon: line (1d6); Dragon Type: bronze. Compulsion: the draconic companion must make a Will save to flee or retreat from an encounter.
• Creative - Alignment: chaotic good; Energy: fire; Breath Weapon: line (1d6); Dragon Type: brass. Compulsion: the draconic companion must make a Will save to destroy creatures or objects with unique value, or to take actions which stifle or ruin other creatures’ artistic expression.
• Destructive - Alignment: chaotic evil; Energy: fire; Breath Weapon: cone (1d6); Dragon Type: red. Compulsion: the draconic companion must make a Will save to resist killing and mutilating an enemy he has engaged in battle, and to resist taking advantage of opportunities to hurt his enemies by destroying that which is precious to them.
• Devious - Alignment: chaotic evil; Energy: acid; Breath Weapon: line (1d6); Dragon Type: black. Compulsion: the draconic companion must make a Will save to openly share significant information and be truthful.
• Greedy - Alignment: lawful evil; Energy: fire; Breath Weapon: line (1d6); Dragon Type: underworld. Compulsion: the draconic companion must make a Will save to give away his possessions or even trade them at a fair value.
• Honorable - Alignment: lawful good; Energy: cold; Breath Weapon: cone (1d6); Dragon Type: silver. Compulsion: the draconic companion must make a Will save to resist defending the weak or to deceive another creature.
• Imperious - Alignment: lawful evil; Energy: acid; Breath Weapon: cone (1d6); Dragon Type: green. Compulsion: the draconic companion must make a Will save to accept orders or direction from any creature not obviously more powerful than himself.
• Just - Alignment: lawful good; Energy: electricity; Breath Weapon: cone (1d6); Dragon Type: sky. Compulsion: the draconic companion must make a Will save to commit an unjust action, or to allow significant injustices to occur without intervening.
• Militant - Alignment: lawful evil; Energy: electricity; Breath Weapon: line (1d6); Dragon Type: blue. Compulsion: the draconic companion must make a Will save to peacefully resolve a conflict that could be solved by force.
• Paranoid - Alignment: chaotic evil; Energy: cold; Breath Weapon: cone (1d6); Dragon Type: white. Compulsion: the draconic companion must make a Will save to trust anyone other than close friends.
• Power-hungry - Alignment: lawful neutral; Energy: acid; Breath Weapon: line (1d6); Dragon Type: brine. Compulsion: the draconic companion must make a Will save to resist bullying smaller or weaker creatures when it would be to his benefit.
• Regal - Alignment: lawful good; Energy: fire; Breath Weapon: cone (1d6); Dragon Type: gold. Compulsion: the draconic companion must make a Will save to take actions he thinks are demeaning or embarrassing.
• Sadistic - Alignment: chaotic evil; Energy: negative (does not heal undead); Breath Weapon: cone (1d4); Dragon Type: umbral. Compulsion: the draconic exemplar must make a Will save to resist significant opportunities to inflict pain on others, and to kill an enemy outright when extending their suffering is an option.
• Temperamental - Alignment: chaotic neutral; Energy: fire; Breath Weapon: cone (1d6); Dragon Type: magma. Compulsion: the draconic companion must make a Will save to resist overreacting to threats or tense social situations.
• Territorial– Alignment: chaotic good; Energy: fire; Breath Weapon: cone (1d6); Dragon Type: sea. Compulsion: the draconic companion must make a Will save every 24 hours he is outside the territory he considers his protectorate or become shaken.
• Vain - Alignment: chaotic good; Energy: sonic; Breath Weapon: cone (1d4); Dragon Type: crystal. Compulsion: the draconic companion must make a Will save to resist overreacting to any perceived insult.
• Witty - Alignment: chaotic good; Energy: acid; Breath Weapon: line (1d6); Dragon Type: copper. Compulsion: the draconic companion must make a Will save to remain silent or speak seriously in tense situations.
• Wrathful - Alignment: chaotic evil; Energy: none (magic and piercing for breath weapon and elemental aura, subject to DR); Breath Weapon: cone (1d6); Dragon Type: forest. Compulsion: the draconic exemplar must make a Will save to resist hunting down a fleeing or escaped.
Draconic Physiology: Draconic companions are quadrupeds, and have a number of rules modifiers based on their body shape. Quadrupeds are limited to using the following item slots: armor, belt (saddle only), chest, eyes, headband, neck, shoulders, and wrist. Armor for quadrupeds has double the cost of armor for a humanoid of the same size. Draconic companion also have the standard two ring slots due to their dexterous claws. Quadrupeds have a greater carrying capacity than humanoids, multiplying the carrying capacity value for their Strength as follows: Fine x1/4, Diminutive x1/2, Tiny x3/4, Small x1, Medium x1 1/2, Large x3, Huge x6, Gargantuan x12, Colossal x24. Quadrupeds also gain a +4 bonus to CMD against overrun and trip combat maneuvers from their extra legs.
Draconic Resilience: Draconic companions gain a +1 bonus on attack rolls and a +2 dodge bonus to AC and on saving throws against the extraordinary, supernatural and spell-like abilities of dragons.
Dragon Immunities: Draconic companions are immune to magical sleep effects and paralysis effects.
Dragon Lore: Draconic companion gain a +2 racial bonus on Knowledge (arcana) checks to identify dragons and can make such checks untrained.
Scaly Hide: Draconic companions have a +2 natural armor bonus to AC (see base form).
Vestigial Wings: Draconic companion have vestigial wings and can make a DC 15 Fly check to fall safely from any height without taking falling damage, as if using feather fall. When falling safely, the draconic companion may make an additional DC 15 Fly check to glide, moving 5 feet laterally for every 20 feet he falls.
Breath Weapon (Su): At 2nd level, the draconic companion gains a breath weapon according to its draconic essence. The draconic companion can breathe a 30-foot cone (or 60-foot line) that deals 1d6 points of damage of the selected type per two Hit Dice it possesses (maximum of 10d6). Those caught in the breath weapon can attempt a Reflex save for half damage. The DC is equal to 10 + 1/2 the draconic companion’s HD + the draconic companion’s Constitution modifier. The draconic companion can use this ability once per day at 4th level, plus an additional time per day every six levels, up to a maximum of 3/day at 16th level.
Size Increase: At 5th level, the draconic companion may increase its size to Medium, adjusting the base damage of its natural attacks accordingly. It gains two secondary wing attacks that deal 1d4 points of damage. The reach of its bite attack increases to 10 feet. It gains a +2 size bonus to Strength. It gains the ability to fly with a base speed of 60 feet and average maneuverability. This flight is considered a supernatural ability.
The draconic companion may choose not to increase its size to Medium and instead gains 4 evolution points. The draconic companion can spend these points on any evolutions it wants, but is restricted from choosing the following evolutions: bite, claws, constrict, gore, head, hooves, huge, large, limbs, low-light vision, pincers, reach, slam, swallow whole, tail slap, tail, tentacle, trample, weapon training, wing buffet. Once evolutions are chosen, they are set and cannot be changed.
A draconic companion can also choose from the following new evolutions.
• Basic Dragon Magic (Sp): This functions as the basic magic evolution, but adds the following spells to the list that can be selected: breeze, drench, haunted fey aspect, penumbra.
• Major Dragon Magic (Sp): This functions as the major magic evolution, but adds the following spells to the list that can be selected: elemental touch, fog cloud, forest friend, ghoul touch, gust of wind, produce flames.
• Minor Dragon Magic (Sp): This functions as the minor magic evolution, but adds the following spells to the list that can be selected: burning hands, charm person, feather fall, hydraulic push, ray of enfeeblement, sleep, stone fist.
• Ultimate Dragon Magic (Sp): This functions as the ultimate magic evolution, but adds the following spells to the list that can be selected: plant growth, ray of exhaustion, shifting sand, vampiric touch.
At 10th level, the draconic companion may increase its size to Large, adjusting its space and the base damage of its natural attacks accordingly. It gains a secondary tail slap attack that deals 1d8 points of damage. It gains an additional +2 size bonus to Strength, a +2 size bonus to Constitution, and reduces its Dexterity by 2. It has poor maneuverability while flying. The draconic companion may choose not to increase its size to Large and instead gains 5 additional evolution points instead. Alternatively, the draconic companion may choose to increase its size to Medium (see above) if it did not do so at 2nd level and gains 1 evolution point. If the draconic companion chooses to remain Small, it gains a +2 bonus to Dexterity.
At 15th level, the draconic companion may increases its size to Huge, adjusting its space and the base damage of its natural attacks accordingly. Its reach increases to 10 feet (15 feet for its bite). The draconic companion also gains the ability to crush smaller creatures with its bulk by jumping or landing on them as a standard action. Crush attacks are effective only against opponents three or more size categories smaller than the draconic companion, and affect as many creatures as fit in its space. Creatures in the affected area must succeed on a Reflex save (DC 10 + 1/2 the draconic companion’s Hit Dice + the draconic companion’s Constitution modifier) or be pinned, automatically taking 2d8 + 1 1/2 times the draconic companion’s Strength bonus bludgeoning damage. If the draconic companion chooses to maintain the pin, it must succeed at a combat maneuver check as normal. Pinned creatures take damage from the crush each round if they don’t escape. The draconic companion may choose not to increase its size to Large (remains Small) and instead gains 11 additional evolution points instead. Alternatively, the draconic companion may choose to increase its size to Large (see above) if it did not do so at 8th level, and gains 6 additional evolution points. If the draconic companion chooses to remain Small, it gains an additional +2 bonus to Dexterity.
Draconic Companion Base Form
A draconic companion has the following base form.
Starting Statistics: Size Small; Speed 30 ft.; AC +2 natural armor bonus; Saves Fort (good), Ref (good), Will (good); Attack bite (1d4), 2 claws (1d3); Ability Scores Str 14, Dex 11 Con 14, Int 11, Wis 10, Cha 13; Evolution Qualification This base form is treated as both the quadruped and serpentine base form for the purpose of qualifying for evolutions.
Table: Draconic Companion Base Statistics
Natural
Class Good Bad Armor Int/Cha
Level HD BAB Saves Save Skills Feats Bonus Bonus Attacks Special
1st 1 +1 +2 +0 4 1 +0 +0 3 Draconic senses, dragon qualities,
link, share spells, unfettered
2nd 2 +2 +3 +0 8 1 +2 +1 3 Breath weapon
3rd 3 +3 +3 +1 12 2 +2 +1 3 —
4th 3 +3 +3 +1 12 2 +2 +1 4 —
5th 4 +4 +4 +1 16 2 +4 +2 4 Size increase
6th 5 +5 +4 +1 20 3 +4 +2 4 —
7th 6 +6 +5 +2 24 3 +6 +3 4 —
8th 6 +6 +5 +2 24 3 +6 +3 4 —
9th 7 +7 +5 +2 28 4 +6 +3 5 Multiattack
10th 8 +8 +6 +2 32 4 +8 +4 5 Size increase
11th 9 +9 +6 +3 36 5 +8 +4 5 —
12th 9 +9 +6 +3 36 5 +10 +5 5 —
13th 10 +10 +7 +3 40 5 +10 +5 5 —
14th 11 +11 +7 +3 44 6 +10 +5 6 —
15th 12 +12 +8 +4 48 6 +12 +6 6 Size Increase
16th 12 +12 +8 +4 48 6 +12 +6 6 —
17th 13 +13 +8 +4 52 7 +14 +7 6 —
18th 14 +14 +9 +4 56 7 +14 +7 6 —
19th 15 +15 +9 +5 60 8 +14 +7 7 —
20th 15 +15 +9 +5 60 8 +16 +8 7 —
barring the fact that we commented less than 3 seconds apart, it's great. though I'm unclear on how many evolution points the Companion has at any given level.
I'm feeling bad about the lack of proper feedback I've had for these few....
Also, I'm putting my Feral Mercenary (Samurai/Barbarian) up in my next slot. I lost the final warlord draft.
barring the fact that we commented less than 3 seconds apart, it's great. though I'm unclear on how many evolution points the Companion has at any given level.
None! Unless it chooses to not increase in size at either 5th, 10th, or 15th. Essentially, you can choose to increase in size at those increments, or gain a certain number of evolution points in place of the size increase and everything that comes with it. Read the Size Increase entries.
If you choose not to increase to Medium at 5th, you stay Small and gain 4 evolution points to gain permanent evolutions.
At 10th, you can choose to increase to Large (if you had chosen Medium at 5th) or choose to be Medium if you didn't at 5th. If you choose Medium, you gain that stuff, plus 1 evolution point. If you choose again to stay Small, you gain 5 additional evolution points for permanent evolutions.
At 15th you can become Huge (if you chose Large), become Large (if you chose Medium at 10th) and gain 6 evolution points, become Medium (if you remained Small) and gain 7 evolution points, or gain 11 additional evolution points if you remain Small.
This allows customization at different sizes, but also makes sure the player isn't penalized for not gaining size increases - thus the evolution points they can spend on permanent evolutions.
Looking over the size increases and benefits you get, those total an equivalent of 20 points. Plus the points for the permanent breath weapon, thats 24 total. I guess there is still 2 points unaccounted for. I think. I think I'll throw in a permanent resistance ability, that eventually evolves into immunity at a later level. This will be tied to the Draconic Essence ability too. Oh, wait, those 2 points are included in the bite and claw attacks, originally. Though I think I'm still going to add in the resistance/immunity ability. Likely at 2nd (5), 6th (10), 10th (15), 14th (20), 18 (immunity). ! point to a 2 point evolution spread over the levels.
barring the fact that we commented less than 3 seconds apart, it's great. though I'm unclear on how many evolution points the Companion has at any given level.None! Unless it chooses to not increase in size at either 5th, 10th, or 15th. Essentially, you can choose to increase in size at those increments, or gain a certain number of evolution points in place of the size increase and everything that comes with it. Read the Size Increase entries.
If you choose not to increase to Medium at 5th, you stay Small and gain 4 evolution points to gain permanent evolutions.
At 10th, you can choose to increase to Large (if you had chosen Medium at 5th) or choose to be Medium if you didn't at 5th. If you choose Medium, you gain that stuff, plus 1 evolution point. If you choose again to stay Small, you gain 5 additional evolution points for permanent evolutions.
At 15th you can become Huge (if you chose Large), become Large (if you chose Medium at 10th) and gain 6 evolution points, become Medium (if you remained Small) and gain 7 evolution points, or gain 11 additional evolution points if you remain Small.
This allows customization at different sizes, but also makes sure the player isn't penalized for not gaining size increases - thus the evolution points they can spend on permanent evolutions.
Looking over the size increases and benefits you get, those total an equivalent of 20 points. Plus the points for the permanent breath weapon, thats 24 total. I guess there is still 2 points unaccounted for. I think. I think I'll throw in a permanent resistance ability, that eventually evolves into immunity at a later level. This will be tied to the Draconic Essence ability too. Oh, wait, those 2 points are included in the bite and claw attacks, originally. Though I think I'm still going to add in the resistance/immunity ability. Likely at 2nd (5), 6th (10), 10th (15), 14th (20), 18 (immunity). ! point to a 2 point evolution spread over the levels.
that's actually a pretty good system to deal with it.
did elghinn just streamline the eidolon process? i like that final product.
and now i just need to hammer out my Possessed Scion.
#Dracontine Electus
Still need to do some adding in to explain how the size increases vs. gaining evo points works, much like I explained above, so there is no confusion. I think its pretty balanced. IT starts small, somewhat on the weaker size of eidolon, and evens out with the eidolon at higher levels. With the added resistance/immunity, may be a bit more potent, but its spread over the levels, which I think will be negligible.
Also, with nothing further on the Highwayman, and the DE done, we'll move on.
Next up!
Lightspeed Master - Mnk/Mag (Bardess)
“Name” – Gun/Class or Class/Gun (Christos Gurd)
@JonathonWilder, still fiddling and looking at your Plague Doctor behind the scenes. Been busy, so I gotta get back to it. I think I have some good ideas, but need to do some more looking around.
#Dracontine Electus
Still need to do some adding in to explain how the size increases vs. gaining evo points works, much like I explained above, so there is no confusion. I think its pretty balanced. IT starts small, somewhat on the weaker size of eidolon, and evens out with the eidolon at higher levels. With the added resistance/immunity, may be a bit more potent, but its spread over the levels, which I think will be negligible.Also, with nothing further on the Highwayman, and the DE done, we'll move on.
Next up!
Lightspeed Master - Mnk/Mag (Bardess)
“Name” – Gun/Class or Class/Gun (Christos Gurd)@JonathonWilder, still fiddling and looking at your Plague Doctor behind the scenes. Been busy, so I gotta get back to it. I think I have some good ideas, but need to do some more looking around.
I Say just explain them as one thing where at each level you can either gain the next level of evo points or the next level of size increase.
Hi!
I see your archives are not overflowing with gunslinger variations :)
I am working on a flintlock fantasy setting right now, and I have some ideas if you are interested.
Eldritch Gun: slinger/magus (arcana, weak caster) [practically ready]
Hanging Judge: slinger/inquisitor (judgements)
Blaster: slinger/alchemist (craft bomb-like bullets)
Flintlock Saint: slinger/cleric (channel energy, weak caster)
Flinlock Summoner: slinger/summoner (tiny eidolon that is a firearm)
Hi!
I see your archives are not overflowing with gunslinger variations :)
I am working on a flintlock fantasy setting right now, and I have some ideas if you are interested.Eldritch Gun: slinger/magus (arcana, weak caster) [practically ready]
Hanging Judge: slinger/inquisitor (judgements)
Blaster: slinger/alchemist (craft bomb-like bullets)
Flintlock Saint: slinger/cleric (channel energy, weak caster)
Flinlock Summoner: slinger/summoner (tiny eidolon that is a firearm)
ive actually been looking into giving them some love, so if you are looking to jump on that bandwagon thats awesome. it also frees me up to do a few oddball combos ive been mulling over. I really been wanting to do a Resolved Mystic(Monk/samurai) so if you got a few gunslinger ones have at it.
Ladies and gentlemen, without more ado, I give to you the
The search for self–perfection takes many forms. For some monks, this implies a desire to be living embodiments of speed, a lightning on the battlefield, striking at enemies before they can react or only see the attack coming. These individuals sacrifice physical strength and endurance and renounce to self–discipline to tap into arcane magic and enhance their mobility with all existing means. They become lightspeed masters.
Primary Class: Monk
Secondary Class: Magus
Alignment Restrictions: none
Hit Dice: d8
Skills: The lightspeed master adds 3 skills from the list of the magus to his list of class skills.
Skill Ranks per Level: 2 + Int modifier.
BAB: ¾
Saving Throws: GGG
Weapon and Armor Proficiency: A lightspeed master is proficient with all simple and martial weapons, plus the kama, nunchaku, sai, shuriken, siangham, and temple sword. A lightspeed master is also proficient with light armor. He retains his AC bonus, fast movement and flurry of blows abilities and can cast magus spells while wearing light armor without incurring the normal arcane spell failure chance. A lightspeed master wearing medium armor, heavy armor, or a shield, or carrying a medium or heavy load, and loses his combat and movement bonuses.
1) Arcane ki pool, arcane ki power, flurry of blows, unarmed strike
2) Arcane ki power, evasion
3) Arcane ki power, fast movement, maneuver training, still mind
4) Arcane ki pool (magic), arcane ki power
5) Arcane ki power
6) Arcane ki power
7) Arcane ki pool (enhancement +1), mystic knowledge pool
8) Arcane ki power
9) Improved evasion
10) Arcane ki pool (enhancement +2), arcane ki power
11) Unstoppable body
12) Arcane ki power
13) Unconquerable body
14) Arcane ki power
15) Arcane ki power
16) Arcane ki pool (enhancement +3), arcane ki power
17) Arcane ki power
18) Arcane ki power
19) Greater arcane ki pool
20) Lightspeed mastery
AC Bonus: As monk (but see above).
Arcane Ki Pool (Su): At 1st level, a lightspeed master gains a reservoir of supernatural energy he can use to accomplish amazing feats and use spell–like abilities on himself, tapping into the arcane aura of his body. The number of points in a lightspeed master’s arcane ki pool is equal to 1/2 his lightspeed master level + his Wisdom modifier. By spending 1 point from his ki pool, a lightspeed master can do one of the following:
Make one additional attack at his highest attack bonus when making a flurry of blows attack, or
Increase his speed by 20 feet for 1 round, or
Give himself a +4 dodge bonus to AC for 1 round.
Each of these powers is activated as a swift action.
At 4th level, as long as he has at least 1 point in his ki pool, the lightspeed master can make a ki strike. A ki strike allows his unarmed attacks or weapons to be treated as magic weapons for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction.
At 7th level, 10th level, and 16th level, the lightspeed master can expend 1 point from his arcane ki pool as a swift action to grant his unarmed attacks or any weapon he is holding a +1 enhancement bonus for 1 minute. At 10th level and 17th level, the weapon or unarmed attack gains another +1 enhancement bonus, to a maximum of +3. These bonuses can be added to the weapon, stacking with existing weapon enhancement to a maximum of +5. Multiple uses of this ability do not stack with themselves. Alternatively, these bonuses can be used to add any of the following weapon properties: flaming, flaming burst, frost, icy burst, keen, shock, shocking burst, or speed.
The arcane ki pool is replenished each morning after 8 hours of rest or meditation; these hours do not need to be consecutive. This ability modifies ki pool.
Arcane Ki Powers: At the indicated levels, a lightspeed master chooses an arcane ki power. Arcane ki powers are abilities that draw on the power of a lightspeed master’s arcane ki, enhancing his mobility and physical prowess. Arcane ki powers are divided into five categories: feats, magus abilities, magus arcana, monk abilities, and spells.
Feats: These arcane ki powers duplicate the effects of specific feats. A lightspeed master does not need to qualify for a feat to select it as an arcane ki power. For example, a lightspeed master can select Spring Attack as an arcane ki power even if she doesn’t meet the prerequisites for selecting Spring Attack as a feat. Activating one of these arcane ki powers is a free action on the lightspeed master’s turn; until the start of her next turn, the lightspeed master is treated as if she had that feat. Some of these arcane ki powers that duplicate feats may also be activated as an immediate action; these powers are noted in the arcane ki powers list.
Magus Abilities: This category contains one arcane ki power: arcane movement. The ability works using the lightspeed master’s level as his magus level.
Magus Arcana: These ki powers duplicate the effects of some magus arcana. If an arcana has a prerequisite, the lightspeed master doesn’t need to meet it, but he must be of the required level to choose a specific arcana as an arcane ki power. The abilities work using the lightspeed master’s level as his magus level.
Monk Abilities: Some arcane ki powers are standard monk abilities. Even if a lightspeed master selects a different ki power in place of a standard monk ability, she can select that monk ability later as one of her arcane ki powers.
Spells: These arcane ki powers duplicate the effects of a spell, and are spell-like abilities. A lightspeed master’s class level is the caster level for these spell-like abilities, and she uses Wisdom to determine her concentration check bonus.
Requirements: All arcane ki powers have a minimum lightspeed master level requirement to select them. A lightspeed master who does not meet this requirement cannot select that arcane ki power.
Activation: Most arcane ki powers require the lightspeed master to spend arcane ki points; the exact amount is listed after the arcane ki power. Arcane ki powers that cost 0 arcane ki do not require the lightspeed master to have any arcane ki points in her ki pool to use the ability.
The saving throw against a lightspeed master’s ki power, if any, is equal to 10 + 1/2 the lightspeed master’s level + the lightspeed master’s Wisdom bonus. Arcane ki powers replace all the monk’s bonus feats, stunning fist, slow fall, high jump, purity of body, abundant step, quivering palm, timeless body, and tongue of the sun and moon.
Flurry of Blows: As monk.
Unarmed Strike: As monk.
Evasion: As monk.
Fast Movement: As monk.
Maneuver Training: As monk.
Still Mind: As monk.
Mystic Knowledge Pool (Su): At 7th level, when a lightspeed master replenishes his arcane ki pool spells, he can decide to expend 1 or more arcane ki points, up to his Wisdom bonus. He can choose any combination of arcane ki powers up to that cost, and treat them as if they were on his list of possessed arcane ki powers for that day. He loses these temporary arcane ki powers the next time he replenishes his arcane ki pool. This replaces wholeness of body.
Improved Evasion: As monk.
Unstoppable Body (Su): At 11th level, a lightspeed master gains immunity to slowing effects of all kinds. This replaces diamond body.
Unconquerable Body (Su): At 13th level, all effects from any source that enhance a lightspeed master’s movement stack. This replaces diamond soul.
Greater Arcane Ki Pool (Su): At 19th level, the number of points in a lightspeed master arcane ki pool is equal to his lightspeed master level + his Wisdom modifier. This replaces empty body.
Lightspeed Mastery (Su): At 20th level, the lightspeed master achieves the quintessence of movement. He gains a +2 bonus on Dexterity and can always move up to his speed in a round as a free action in addition to any other movement. Once per day, the lightspeed master can cast time stop as a spell–like ability, spending all his remaining arcane ki points.
1st Level
Arcane Accuracy (magus arcana), 1 ki point
Deny Death (0 ki points)
Expeditious retreat (spell), 1 ki point
Ki Stand (0 ki points)
Lightning finish (monk of the seven winds ability), 0 ki points
Redirection (flowing monk ability), 0 ki points
Windy escape (spell), 1 ki point
4th Level
Acrobatic Steps (1 ki point)
Bladed dash (spell), 2 ki points
Cat’s grace (spell), 2 ki points
Disorienting Maneuver (2 ki points)
Effortless armor (spell), 2 ki points
Feather step (spell), self only, 1 ki point
Flowing dodge (flowing monk ability), 0 ki points
Ki arrow (spell), 1 ki point
Quick Draw (1 ki point)
Slow fall (standard monk ability), 0 ki points
True strike (spell), self only, 1 ki point
6th Level
Arcane movement (spell dancer magus ability, 1 ki point)
Disengaging Feint (3 ki points)
High jump (standard monk ability), 1 ki point
Landing Roll (3 ki points)
Sidestep (1 ki point)
Snatch Arrows (1 ki point)
Spring Attack (1 ki point)
8th Level
Blink (spell), 3 ki points
Burst of speed (spell), 3 ki points
Channel vigor (spell), 3 ki points
Elusive target (flowing monk ability), 2 ki points
Gliding Steps (1 ki point)
Haste (spell), self only, 3 ki points
Quick Reposition (4 ki points)
Spider Step (1 ki point)
Whirlwind Attack (2 ki points)
10th Level
Accurate Strike (magus arcana), 2 ki points
Greater Bull Rush (2 ki points)
Hasted Assault (magus arcana), 2 ki points
Leaping Shot (5 ki points)
Lunge (1 ki point)
Prescient Defense (magus arcana), 2 ki points
Shadow step (spell), 1 ki point
Step Up and Strike (2 ki points)
Wind Stance (2 ki points)
12th Level
Abundant step (standard monk ability), 2 ki points
Cartwheel Dodge (2 ki points)
Greater Arcane Redoubt (magus arcana), 3 ki points
Ki Throw (2 ki points)
Shadow walk (spell), 3 ki points
14th Level
Cloud Step (3 ki points)
Dimensional Agility (1 ki point)
Greater bladed dash (spell), 5 ki points
Improved Ki Throw (2 ki points)
Slow time (monk of the four winds ability), 6 ki points
16th Level
Borrowed time (spell), 6 ki points
Dimensional Assault (2 ki points)
High speed attack (new, 2 ki points)
Lightning Stance (3 ki points)
Volley spell (flowing monk ability), ki points cost variable
18th Level
Dimensional Dervish (3 ki points)
Dimensional Maneuvers (4 ki points)
Dimensional Savant (4 ki points)
Empty body (standard monk ability), 3 ki points
High Speed Attack (Su): A lightspeed master can grab and drag an opponent with himself at high speed, disorienting and dazing him or her. When the lightspeed master successfully uses the grapple maneuver on an opponent, he can attempt to move himself and the opponent at full speed in his next turn. The target takes 2 point of damage per lightspeed master level and is rendered unconscious for 1 round per lightspeed master level by the stress of the sprint unless it makes a Fortitude saving throw (DC 10 + 1/2 the monk's level + the monk's Wis modifier). If the save is successful, the target’s merely stunned for the same time.
I essentially used the qinggong monk's template, mixing it with a lot of RGG's Talented Monk, for the one and only purpose to create "THE FASTEST MONK ALIVE EVER". ^_^ And he HAD to have Bladed Dash because my favourite highspeed manga hero HAS IT. ^_^
Hi!
I see your archives are not overflowing with gunslinger variations :)
I am working on a flintlock fantasy setting right now, and I have some ideas if you are interested.Eldritch Gun: slinger/magus (arcana, weak caster) [practically ready]
Hanging Judge: slinger/inquisitor (judgements)
Blaster: slinger/alchemist (craft bomb-like bullets)
Flintlock Saint: slinger/cleric (channel energy, weak caster)
Flinlock Summoner: slinger/summoner (tiny eidolon that is a firearm)
Welcome Noro! If you want to jump in with a Gunslinger MCA, please do.
Well, we don't have many Gunslinger primary MCAs, but there are plenty of secondary ones. Here's all the ones we have.
Iron Bombardier - Alchemist/Gunslinger
Cavalry Gunman - Cavalier/Gunslinger
Ironforged Druid - Druid/Gunslinger
Trench Infantryman - Fighter/Gunslinger
Cacophony Blaster - Gunslinger/Bard
Desperado - Gunslinger/Bard
Gun Sage - Gunslinger/Wizard
Gunpowder Wrangler - Gunslinger/Cavalier
Gunspell - Gunslinger/Sorcerer
Haunted Gun - Gunslinger/Witch
Spellbond Slinger - Gunslinger/Wizard
Unseen Marksman - Gunslinger/Rogue
Spellgun Magus - Magus/Gunslinger
Mystic Pistoleer - Monk/Gunslinger
Blackpowder Assassin - Ninja/Gunslinger
Gun Prophet - Oracle/Gunslinger
Hallowed Gunman- Paladin/Gunslinger
Frontier Huntsman - Ranger/Gunslinger
Steel Buccaneer - Rogue/Gunslinger
Resolute Wrangler - Samurai/Gunslinger
Siege Marshal - Summoner/Gunslinger
Black Powder Witch - Witch/Gunslinger
Welcome Noro! If you want to jump in with a Gunslinger MCA, please do.Well, we don't have many Gunslinger primary MCAs, but there are plenty of secondary ones. Here's all the ones we have.
Thanks for the list, I have checked out several already (most of the spellcasters definitely :). I see that the druid, sorcerer and witch combos are unpublished yet, I will be interested in seeing those.
But what my home project need most is a strong fighter, weak arcane caster archetype, so can I get on the list with an Eldritch Gun (gunslinger/magus)?
Sure! You'll be up after the next two.
I'm that easily confused guy who has to ask for queue updates alot
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#Lightspeed Master
I REALLY like the quingong-style layout, Bardess. Considering this slides up fairly well with my Ninja/Sorceror plans, I'm heavily biased to say MCA's using the ki-power mechanic should be worked on abit more. Now, I feel like the spider-step feat should be added in as either a Ki Power, or a standard bonus feat/ability. On top of a way to give difficult terrain the bird.
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Lightspeed Master - Mnk/Mag (Bardess)* current
“Name” – Gun/Class or Class/Gun (Christos Gurd)* current
Eldritch Gun – Gun/Mag (Noro) - new guy
Copper Cannoneer – Cav/Gun (Lindley Court)
Old Wiki MCA (Infused Mage)
Powder Bomber – Gun/Alc (Tyrannical)
Spectral Fist – Mag/Monk or Mnk/Mag (Apraham Lincoln)
Marked Ninja – Nin/Sor (Taco Man)
Final Warlord – Cav/Anp or Anp/Cav (Taco Man)
Exanimate Evoker – Sum/Sor “Evil” (mrtaco6)
“KeeningSoul” – Wtc/Brd (JonathonWilder)
Star Speaker – Sor/Ora (JonathonWilder)
Possessed Scion – Bbn/Clr maybe Bbn/Ora (Bandw2)
Ambrose Knight – Cav/Alc (Elghinn + Dustyboy)
let the eldritch gun go before me, im curious to see how it is set up.
Huh...Me n'Jon'r Double'd Up! Yay!
let the eldritch gun go before me, im curious to see how it is set up.
if for some reason noro cannot i will go ahead with my mca. That being said id like to see the new guy get a shot.
Lightspeed Mastery (Su): At 20th level, the lightspeed master achieves the quintessence of movement. He gains a +2 bonus on Dexterity and can always move up to his speed in a round as a free action in addition to any other movement. Once per day, the lightspeed master can cast time stop as a spell–like ability, spending all his remaining arcane ki points.
this is effectively an unlimited range teleport that costs no action. almost every teleport in-game requires a standard so you cannot teleport in and attack someone. a swift-free allows full attack actions and is pretty broken.
you can use panther style HORRENDOUSLY well with this, along with that feat that allows you to attack and move. so many issues with this level 20 thing... ;-; it's beautiful.
I say make it an immediate action.
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New idea considered because of my investigator mistake
Persona Shifter
Infiltrator (Investigator)/Bard
One skilled in taking on many different forms from his own, personalities varied and interesting, all so they can be among others though their purpose is not certain. Able to create alias and change their appearance, alter their voice and seemingly even alignment to the point of deceiving even the most potent divination.
I picked bard mostly because there spell list I felt best fit the idea. I may pick a different class later on if I can consider something better. Like maybe a Sorcerer and playing the idea off like a bloodline.
Edit: Sighs, am I now thinking of the movie Master of Disguise