Create Mr. Pitt |
While not the whole line, a wizard (conjurer) can make some really nice use of Dimension Agility with the teleportation subschool power Shift. There's some marginal debate that dimensional agility doesn't apply to Shift, but the text for Shift says "as if Dimensional Door". This is one of the more useful applications of Dimensional Agility I've seen, but I am not sure I know of a great application for the rest of the line in Wizards.
Otherwise, I agree Monk and Magus are the two classes that really benefit from the line.
taldanrebel2187 |
I absolutely love the idea of this chain, flickering around the battlefield attacking along the way, it brings to mind a certain scene in Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time with Perrin Aybara.
Anyway, which class/build can you see getting the most out of this chain?
Come to think of it though, a Travel domain battle Cleric could cast Dimension Door at 7th level... Hm.
Create Mr. Pitt |
The Pale King wrote:Come to think of it though, a Travel domain battle Cleric could cast Dimension Door at 7th level... Hm.I absolutely love the idea of this chain, flickering around the battlefield attacking along the way, it brings to mind a certain scene in Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time with Perrin Aybara.
Anyway, which class/build can you see getting the most out of this chain?
I like this idea. I like it a lot. So much interesting potential there.
Rudy2 |
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Wolf-Shaman druid, who can take the Travel Domain, and thus get dimensional door at 7th level. Follow that up with Horizon Walker 3, to get the astral plane dominance ability, letting you do dimension door 3+WIS/day, then go back to druid. Take Shaping Focus so your wild shape stays at full level.
Basic build:
Human Druid
1: Druid 1. Spell Focus (Conjuration), Augment Summoning
2: Druid 2.
3: Druid 3. Endurance
4: Druid 4
5: Druid 5. Shaping Focus
6: Druid 6
7: Druid 7. Dimensional Agility
8: Druid 8. 8th level Travel Domain ability.
9: Horizon Walker 1. Dimensional Assault
10: Horizon Walker 2
11: Horizon Walker 3. Dimensional Dervish, horizon walker ability
12: Druid 9
13: Druid 10 Dimensional Savant
EDIT: You can trade out SF/Augment Summoning for Natural Spell, if you like, though your dimension door thing from horizon walker is a SLA and thus doesn't have any components (meaning you can do it in animal form without feats)
BONUS: You're a wolf shaman, for that further Perrin connection.
taldanrebel2187 |
If it were me I would take an insane Cleric that worships a demon lord. Take Demon subdomain (MAYBE Ferocity or Destruction, Glory as a stand-by). The demon domain power can get some SICK flat bonuses to damage from level 1. Scales very nicely as you level. Plus the level 8 power for evil? Free unholy on weapons for a few rounds a day. Travel makes you faster, and Agile Feet to ignore difficult terrain is pure gold. Build would get nice at level 7.
I'd probably take an evil deity with favored weapon greatsword or bastard sword. For society play it may be trickier. But battle cleric with dimensional assault line could get nasty fast.
RE; Shadowdancer... That was in a home campaign I ran, and he was a villain. So yeah, I hand-waived it. In Society rules it wouldn't be allowed for sure.
Travel Domain battle cleric works well, and there's so many other domain choices you could do. Demon, ferocity, destruction, tactics, glory (heroism?). Travel works well because you end up with mobility. Plus Dimensional Hop is a nice "f#%~ this, I'm out" ability. With Longstrider your base speed gets up to 50ft at lower levels, 40ft. in full plate. Sadly Separatist archetype doesn't stack with Crusader..
Zwordsman |
I really enjoy a Sorcerer-DD8/10 (it's effectiveness various with levels, what with bab) or Sorc-DD-Eldrtich knight.. I prefer the pure DD8 version so I still have lv 9 caster..
but it's just fun to cast form of the dragon 3, then just blink around the battle field. (more amusing if the gm allows the quicken sla, on dragon breath to use that randomly during a blink)
The to hit isn't that great (Depending on on how physical you slant) but the flanking helps.
Mostly it just looks awesome.
I have a friend who has eldritch knight 10, sorc1 barb (?)1, DD8 with those early entry sla things, and says it's epic
Desidero |
Man, seems like we're seeing this come up every week.
Anyways, one option that I think is notably absent in these discussions is the Spell Dancer Magus. With swift action Dim Doors for 1 Arcane point you only need Dimensional Agility to really go to town. There are a lot of unique problems with this path but I think it's worth consideration.
Create Mr. Pitt |
Some really cool suggestions so far, Horizon Walker+Druid seems pretty awesome, and I am definitely feeling the idea of a Travel domain Cleric. I'm not sure if Shadowdancer works, since it reads 'as if by means of a dimension door spell. ' which I could see some GMs allowing I suppose.
The Travel domain cleric with a reach weapon and combat reflects, can move around the battlefield and just draw tons attacks of opportunity with massive bonuses, and dynamically eat up space, while still casting. There's a ton of fun in that build. And if you could get him some sort of reach battle hammer all the better.
Pirate Rob |
For some inspiration:
Here is my Shield Slam Horizon-Slayer with the Dimensional Agility Chain.
He will eventually use use the teleporting around to follow his bull rush and move enemies serious distance.
Rudy2 |
Major limitation of accessing this via the Travel Domain that I think people may be overlooking: The 'dimension door' spell can only be prepared in the single domain slot, since it is not on the normal spell list for clerics (or druids). This is why the druid build I suggested has the Horizon Walker mixed in.
If the only way you have to cast the spell is via the domain, you can do it... once per day.
Rudy2 |
I'm not sure if Shadowdancer works, since it reads 'as if by means of a dimension door spell. ' which I could see some GMs allowing I suppose.
By RAW that doesn't work, but it would not be unreasonable for a GM to allow it, no. Though, if the GM allowed it, they'd also likely allow it to work with the Dimensional Hop ability of the Travel Domain, making that option even more attractive.
Dekalinder |
Please, please stop mentioning magus. Magus have spell combat with bladed dash / force hook charge. They have no use for Dimensional Dervish.
Generally speaking, the one whitch would best profit from a DD build would be a marial who lack means of pouncing and that can banefit the most from the flanking bonus given by the fourth feat of the chain.
Doesn't this ring a bell?
Yes it does. Slayer. Give him some horizon walker level, and you can pounce and benefit from your sneak attack dice in a reliable way. Pure win. Dual weapon without the needs for dex thanks to ranger combat style for maximum benefit.
Rudy2 |
In reference to Pirate Rob, that's very cool *if* retraining is allowed. If so, I alter the Druid build I suggested above to be the following:
Human Wolf-Shaman Druid w/Travel Domain
1: Druid 1. Spell Focus (Conjuration), Augment Summoning
2: Druid 2.
3: Druid 3. Endurance
4: Druid 4
5: Druid 5. Natural Spell
6: Druid 6
7: Druid 7. Shaping Focus
8: Horizon Walker 1
9: Horizon Walker 2. Dimensional Agility
---------Retrain SF (Conjuration) to Dimensional Assault
---------Retrain Augment Summoning to Dimensional Dervish
10: Horizon Walker 3
11: Druid 8. 8th level Travel Domain ability. Dimensional Savant
I have no knowledge of the new classes myself, but this is by far the best I've seen from the non-playtest classes. Wild Shaped dude popping all over the place.
houser2112 |
If your GM would allow you to qualify with the fold space power, it opens up the Cryptic, Gifted Blade Soulknife, Psion, and Psychic Warrior.
Imbicatus |
If the only way you have to cast the spell is via the domain, you can do it... once per day.
Unless you are a theologian cleric...
Even if not a theologian, you can prepare lower level spells in a higher level slot, so you could prepare it in higher level domain slots. Of course, this means no teleport.
Gregory Connolly |
The classic abuser of this feat line is a TWF Rogue Horizon Walker level 12+. Not much comes close to the favored terrain/enemy bonus you can rack up on the urban terrain (and the underground and astral, but urban is what kills humanoids) and being able to add debuffs through sneak attacks is just gravy.
Brad McDowell |
6 levels of dual wielding wakizashi ninja, 3 levels of Horizon Walker, go back into ninja. At level 10 ninja (character level 13), use Master Trick to take Dimensional Savant.
Without retraining or any other shenanigans, the best builds will get Dimensional Savant at level 13.
I'm also a pretty big fan of Rudy's Druid Wolf Shaman build.
taldanrebel2187 |
Major limitation of accessing this via the Travel Domain that I think people may be overlooking: The 'dimension door' spell can only be prepared in the single domain slot, since it is not on the normal spell list for clerics (or druids). This is why the druid build I suggested has the Horizon Walker mixed in.
If the only way you have to cast the spell is via the domain, you can do it... once per day.
You can complete the feat chain at level 11 w/ a Cleric. In a home game I think most DMs would let it work from a scroll or wand, at least I would given how feat-intensive it is. Other than that you still have options..
*Pearl of Power (4) to recall the spell
*Travel theologian to prepare them in regular slots
*Use higher level domain slots for D-door
*Ask DM if you can swift action it from a wand or scroll