Spiked Shield and Bashing damage, A humble FAQ request. Can we put this to rest?


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All I seem to find is mixed messages when it comes to this item. I would humbly ask that this could possibly make it into the FAQ and finally put the issue to rest. It's come up in more than a couple games so far I would really like to see closure on the matter.

What damage does a spiked shield do with bashing?
Do they not stack? or do they?

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Here is the FAQ on 3.5 on the matter. There is no FAQ entry for spiked shields and shield bash on the pathfinder FAQ.
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The description of the magical bashing property for shields says it can be added only to light or heavy shields.
Does this exclude shields with shield spikes? That is, can
you have a +2 spiked light shield of bashing?
You can add the bashing property to a spiked shield. If you
do, the damage dealt by the shield bash increases from normal
by 3 steps (2 for the bashing property and 1 for the shield
spikes), and the weapon becomes a martial piercing weapon.
The example +1 spiked light shield of bashing,if made for a
Medium character, would deal 1d8 points of piercing damage
from the bash. (Normally a light shield bash deals 1d3 points of
damage, but the spikes improve that to 1d4 and the bashing
enhancement increases that to 1d8.)

Citation http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/er/20030221a 3.5 FAQ page 51

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END 3.5 FAQ.
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Pathfinder Descriptions

Shield, Heavy; Wooden or Steel: You strap a shield to your forearm and grip it with your hand. A heavy shield is so heavy that you can't use your shield hand for anything else.
Wooden or Steel: Wooden and steel shields offer the same basic protection, though they respond differently to spells and effects.

Shield Bash Attacks: You can bash an opponent with a heavy shield. See “shield, heavy” on Table: Weapons for the damage dealt by a shield bash. Used this way, a heavy shield is a martial bludgeoning weapon. For the purpose of penalties on attack rolls, treat a heavy shield as a one-handed weapon. If you use your shield as a weapon, you lose its AC bonus until your next turn. An enhancement bonus on a shield does not improve the effectiveness of a shield bash made with it, but the shield can be made into a magic weapon in its own right.

Shield Spikes: These spikes turn a shield into a martial piercing weapon and increase the damage dealt by a shield bash as if the shield were designed for a creature one size category larger than you (see “spiked shields” on Table: Weapons). You can't put spikes on a buckler or a tower shield. Otherwise, attacking with a spiked shield is like making a shield bash attack.
An enhancement bonus on a spiked shield does not improve the effectiveness of a shield bash made with it, but a spiked shield can be made into a magic weapon in its own right.

Both are listed as weapons on page 152. The word turn seems to read as a modifier. as a shield is already a weapon. It also says Shield spikes Increase the shield bash damage. It isn't listed as independent from a shield?

Bashing: A shield with this special ability is designed to perform a shield bash. A bashing shield deals damage as if it were a weapon of two size categories larger (a Medium light shield thus deals 1d6 points of damage and a Medium heavy shield deals 1d8 points of damage). The shield acts as a +1 weapon when used to bash. Only light and heavy shields can have this ability.

Can we get some clarification on how it works in Pathfinder?

Thanks-a-million in advance!
-Tig


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I'd say it works just like the 3.5 FAQ you posted, especially since spiked shields are indeed listed seperately on the weapons table in the CRB.
In my games, I'd always play it that way.
But an FAQ would actually be nice, so there's really no doubt about how it works.

Horizon Hunters

This issue isn't specific to Pathfinder Society, is it, but Pathfinder, generally? If so, it probably should be in a different forum.

Grand Lodge

Yeah, this is definitely a rules question

Sczarni

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Well, there's already 49 FAQ hits HERE, and it would probably be best to consolidate discussions to one thread.

EDIT: also, it sounds like Mark Seifter and the team is working on some sort of FAQ in the soon-like-timeframe. HERE is one of his recent comments.

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