Retraining a class bonus feat


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Grand Lodge 3/5

Sorry if this has been adressed, I did a search but couldn't find a ruling on this.

I am curious if a character can retrain a feat that they got from one of their class levels to something else. For example, can an Alchemist retrain the Extra Bombs Feat thet they get (instead of Craft Potion for PFS) into some other feat using the re-training rules?

4/5 ****

No.

Shadow Lodge

You can retrain a bonus feat that you choose (into another valid choice for that bonus feat slot), but if a specific feat is granted, you cannot retrain that.

For example, you can train a ranger's second level combat style feat into a different feat on their combat style list at second level, but you cannot retrain an alchemist's Extra Bombs, because that wasn't a selection you made.

Grand Lodge 2/5

What if you retrain a 1 level class into something else. The way I've read it, to me it doesn't imply that you actually lose the stuff you got from the previous class or gain what you would normally get from the second without also paying to retrain the feats/class features.

Grand Lodge 3/5

Cool, I didn't expect it could be done but I figured I would ask the experts.

So that means that a wizard could retrain their spell focus (school), that they get instead of scribe scroll, into Spell focus (other school)?

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dwayne germaine wrote:

Cool, I didn't expect it could be done but I figured I would ask the experts.

So that means that a wizard could retrain their spell focus (school), that they get instead of scribe scroll, into Spell focus (other school)?

You can retrain a valid choice into another valid choice. If the bonus feat is fixed, then you have no option for retraining while remaining in the same class/archetype choice.

Grand Lodge 4/5

claudekennilol wrote:
What if you retrain a 1 level class into something else. The way I've read it, to me it doesn't imply that you actually lose the stuff you got from the previous class or gain what you would normally get from the second without also paying to retrain the feats/class features.

If you retrain a level, you remove the class features you got for that level and replace them with those granted by your new choice.

Shadow Lodge

LazarX wrote:
dwayne germaine wrote:

Cool, I didn't expect it could be done but I figured I would ask the experts.

So that means that a wizard could retrain their spell focus (school), that they get instead of scribe scroll, into Spell focus (other school)?

You can retrain a valid choice into another valid choice. If the bonus feat is fixed, then you have no option for retraining while remaining in the same class/archetype choice.

Translation: yes, you could retrain Spell Focus (evocation) into Spell Focus (conjuration), as both are valid choices for the wizard's bonus Spell Focus feat.

The Exchange 4/5

Wait, what? Knew fighters say you can but dont think any others say you can. Can someone list where this rule is?

4/5 ****

Jeff Morse wrote:
Wait, what? Knew fighters say you can but dont think any others say you can. Can someone list where this rule is?

The re-training rules are in Ultimate Campaign.

Shadow Lodge

Retraining wrote:

Feat

You may change one feat to another through retraining. Retraining a feat takes 5 days with a character who has the feat you want. The old feat can't be one you used as a prerequisite for a feat, class feature, archetype, prestige class, or other ability. If the old feat is a bonus feat granted by a class feature, you must replace it with a feat that you could choose using that class feature.

The Exchange 4/5

Yes, but this is not free than. have to own the book and than pay for it in gold and PP.

Shadow Lodge

Jeff Morse wrote:
Yes, but this is not free than. have to own the book and than pay for it in gold and PP.

I don't recall anyone saying anything to imply otherwise...

The Exchange 4/5

SCPRedMage wrote:
Jeff Morse wrote:
Yes, but this is not free than. have to own the book and than pay for it in gold and PP.
I don't recall anyone saying anything to imply otherwise...

But some may read it as such, Had a player ask about this just the other day and from what I know, only the fighter can retrain bonus feats for free. So having read the first part of this, I was wondering if I missed something and others could too.

5/5 5/55/5 ** Venture-Captain, Germany—Hamburg

Jeff Morse wrote:
SCPRedMage wrote:
Jeff Morse wrote:
Yes, but this is not free than. have to own the book and than pay for it in gold and PP.
I don't recall anyone saying anything to imply otherwise...
But some may read it as such, Had a player ask about this just the other day and from what I know, only the fighter can retrain bonus feats for free. So having read the first part of this, I was wondering if I missed something and others could too.

When talking about retraining, people normally mean the rules from Ultimate Campaign.

Fighter bonus feat retraining at levels 4, 8, 12, etc. is part of their Bonus feat class feature, similar to sorcerers retraining spells at certain levels. The class feature clearly says what can be retrained at those levels.

Especially when the OP mentions "the retraining rules", I don't see why anyone would read it as "retraining as part of a class feature". ;)

Liberty's Edge 5/5

Starglim wrote:
claudekennilol wrote:
What if you retrain a 1 level class into something else. The way I've read it, to me it doesn't imply that you actually lose the stuff you got from the previous class or gain what you would normally get from the second without also paying to retrain the feats/class features.
If you retrain a level, you remove the class features you got for that level and replace them with those granted by your new choice.

Note: when retraining class levels, you retrain backwards. In other words the first level of a class you can retrain is the last level you took. You can't cherry pick which level to retrain.

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