With the new race change..


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Sovereign Court 2/5

So I have a new cleric and it's one with a soon to be retired race. I know that if I have 1xp on it that it will be legal. I'm going to run a 3-7 tonight and was wondering if I apply that to it will it be legal to keep even though it can't be put on him till he hits 3 or does it need to actually be put on him before the change?

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Unless I've misunderstood something, when you assign a higher-level pregen chronicle to a 1st-level PC, you can "scale it down" (reduce the gold to 500gp) and apply it immediately.

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Jiggy wrote:
Unless I've misunderstood something, when you assign a higher-level pregen chronicle to a 1st-level PC, you can "scale it down" (reduce the gold to 500gp) and apply it immediately.

True for pre-gen...not an option for GM credit though.

Silver Crusade 5/5

When you play a pregen your two options are:

1.) Apply the chronicle to your character at the level of the pregen.

or, if you want to apply the credit to a level one:

2.) Apply the credit to a level one character with reduced total gold of 500g.

If you're wanting to apply it to get an Aasimar/Tiefling grandfathered in, the choice you will need to make is 2.

Edit: Like Sniggevert said, if you are GM'ing your only option is to hold the cert for a character until it can be applied (in the OP's case, level 3).

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Same situation for me, I have a GM cert from a 3-7 scenario - I assumed it would not enable me to grandfather the character in as it does not become an XP until it is applied at 3rd level.

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CigarPete wrote:
Same situation for me, I have a GM cert from a 3-7 scenario - I assumed it would not enable me to grandfather the character in as it does not become an XP until it is applied at 3rd level.

That is how I read it, as it would not count as being "applied" until you hit at least 3rd level.

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Sniggevert wrote:
Jiggy wrote:
Unless I've misunderstood something, when you assign a higher-level pregen chronicle to a 1st-level PC, you can "scale it down" (reduce the gold to 500gp) and apply it immediately.
True for pre-gen...not an option for GM credit though.

Correct, but it should be.

Shadow Lodge 3/5

I've always understood that you can do the same thing (apply a 3-7 chronicle as if it were being played as a pregen) with a GM credit chronicle as well.

Why can't you?

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Sniggevert wrote:
Jiggy wrote:
Unless I've misunderstood something, when you assign a higher-level pregen chronicle to a 1st-level PC, you can "scale it down" (reduce the gold to 500gp) and apply it immediately.
True for pre-gen...not an option for GM credit though.

In all cases, you can apply GM credit exactly as you can apply player credit.

The language in the guide is not 100% clear on this, but certainly you can take a higher level GM credit and downsize the gold and give it to a brand new 1st level character if you wanted.

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I don't believe that you can.

OP Guide wrote:
If the player is playing a non-1stlevel pregenerated character, he may choose instead to apply this Chronicle sheet to a 1st level character by reducing this value to 500 gp (or 250 gp for the slow advancement track).

Instead GMs have the following rule:

OP Guide wrote:
If the GM with a low-level character runs any higher tier scenarios that don’t include a subtier for her 1st-level rogue, she takes the lowest subtier Chronicle sheet from that scenario and holds it for her PC. Then, once her PC achieves the appropriate level for that Chronicle sheet, it is immediately applied.

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As Pirate Rob points out, the GM rules for credit are not the same as a Player-played Pre-Gen. If it IS intended to let GMs do that, the Guide needs clearer wording to say so. (I for one would be happy to see that.)

Liberty's Edge 5/5

It also says that GM's may apply credit like players.

Just because in that particular paragraph it doesn't specifically say it, doesn't mean you can't.

You gotta take the entire section in context with itself. Not read each paragraph as a separate entity.

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I'd love to see GMs be allowed to drop down credit too, but I'd understand if it was an intentional decision. There are some pretty nice boons at higher level that would be risky to play a pregen through, but easy enough to GM. GM rewards are always nice though...

Shadow Lodge 3/5

It seems too absurd to limit a GM to not take the 500gp option like a player can. This seems like an oversight from that paragraph rather than an intentional omission. It's difficult to imagine an abuse of this.

GMs usually get more options with chronicles than players do, not less.

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Andrew Christian wrote:

It also says that GM's may apply credit like players.

Just because in that particular paragraph it doesn't specifically say it, doesn't mean you can't.

You gotta take the entire section in context with itself. Not read each paragraph as a separate entity.

I'm not seeing that, is it in a different section maybe?

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The problem here is a GM can apply the credit like a player... it does not say they can apply it like it was a Pre-Gen character (which would be ideal). It actually speaks to applying it to the appropriate tier/sub-tier of the character you assign it to with absolutely no mention that the pre-gen option is a GM valid option.

Personally I think it should, and in my original reading thought so, but it was pointed out to me that it doesn't and as written, I see it does not support the 'as a pre-gen' option. If it is intended this way, we need a rewording of the sections (both for scenario and for module sections) to make it so.

As such, my advice is to not try to claim a pre-gen meltdown for a GM credit unless and until such time as we either see a clarification or a rewrite of that portion, because your mileage will definitely vary on this one. (Better safe than sorry.)

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Andrew Christian wrote:

It also says that GM's may apply credit like players.

Just because in that particular paragraph it doesn't specifically say it, doesn't mean you can't.

You gotta take the entire section in context with itself. Not read each paragraph as a separate entity.

No it doesn't. It actually spells out how GM credit is DIFFERENT than player credit.

The Guide wrote:


Game Master Rewards
In Pathfinder Society Organized Play, we reward GMs for
volunteering their time to run events. Starting with Version
2.2 of this document (and not retroactive to any previous
scenarios that were run), any GM who runs a scenario
gets full credit for that scenario applied to one of her own
characters. “Full credit” means the GM gets the following:
1 XP for the scenario, 100% of the Max Gold for the subtier
most appropriate to the GM’s PC, and 2 PP (or, for a slow
advancement track character, 1/2 XP, 1 PP, and 50% of the
Max Gold for the subtier most appropriate to the GM’s PC).

The GM may select any special boons bestowed by a
Chronicle sheet, such as free magical treasure, regional
boons, or future bonus die rolls. The GM does not get a Day
Job check. If the GM previously received partial credit on a
Chronicle sheet for a scenario she ran (using the old reward
system), she must keep the partial credit and cannot run the
scenario again for full credit on a second Chronicle sheet.

Additionally, there is limited replay allowed depending
on the number of GM stars earned (see page 20).

The subtier for which a GM’s character receives credit
depends on the character’s level. If a GM with a 1st-level
rogue runs a Tier 1–5 scenario using Subtier 1–2, she
takes a Subtier 1–2 Chronicle sheet for her 1st-level rogue.
If she instead runs a Tier 1–5 scenario using Subtier 4–5,
she still takes a Subtier 1–2 Chronicle sheet, as her PC
clearly falls within the lower subtier.

If the GM with a low-level character runs any higher
tier scenarios that don’t include a subtier for her 1st-level
rogue, she takes the lowest subtier Chronicle sheet from
that scenario and holds it for her PC. Then, once her PC
achieves the appropriate level for that Chronicle sheet, it is
immediately applied. For example, if a GM with a 1st-level
rogue runs a Tier 5–9 scenario, she would take a Subtier
5–6 Chronicle sheet (the lowest subtier for that tier) for
running the scenario and set it aside. Once her rogue
reaches 5th level, she can immediately apply the Chronicle
sheet to her character. This means that GMs’ characters
can potentially level up in bursts.

Should a GM receive a Chronicle sheet that indicates her
character is between subtiers (for example, if she runs a Tier
1–5 scenario but gives a 3rd-level character the Chronicle
sheet), she must always receive the Out-of-Subtier gold
value. This rule is meant to balance the fact that the GM’s
character doesn’t have to expend any resources or risk death
while gaining a Chronicle sheet for running a scenario.

When you choose to take a Chronicle sheet for GM credit,
you must decide which of your characters receives the
Chronicle sheet when you fill out the tracking sheet for that
table. You must apply Chronicle sheets in the order they are
received. The only exception is when you hold a higher-tier
Chronicle for a lower-tier character. In either case, you do
not need to build the character until you actually play it.

Bolded the relevant paragraph for GM credit. By the way, that is the entire section, so if you can point out the section saying it's treated like a pre-gen that might help.

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