Magic is Life (Nethys) and Shield Other interaction


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To frame the question, here is the wording for both the trait Magic is Life and the spell Shield Other:

Magic is Life - Your faith in magic allows you to reflexively use the energy of any spell effect currently on you to save you from death. As long as you are under the effects of a spell, you gain a +2 trait bonus on saving throws against death effects. If you are reduced to negative hit points while you are under the effects of any spell, you automatically confirm stabilization checks to stop bleeding.

Shield Other - This spell wards the subject and creates a mystic connection between you and the subject so that some of its wounds are transferred to you. The subject gains a +1 deflection bonus to AC and a +1 resistance bonus on saves. Additionally, the subject takes only half damage from all wounds and attacks (including those dealt by special abilities) that deal hit point damage. The amount of damage not taken by the warded creature is taken by you. Forms of harm that do not involve hit points, such as charm effects, temporary ability damage, level draining, and death effects, are not affected. If the subject suffers a reduction of hit points from a lowered Constitution score, the reduction is not split with you because it is not hit point damage. When the spell ends, subsequent damage is no longer divided between the subject and you, but damage already split is not reassigned to the subject.

If you and the subject of the spell move out of range of each other, the spell ends.

Now the question is:

As the caster of the Shield Other, am I considered "under the effects of a spell" due to the mystic connection created with Shield Other? If "yes", I would auto stabilize if Shield Other went horribly wrong and I were knocked unconscious by the damage and I would have the +2 vs death effects as long as I was shielding someone (either the tank or a squishy). Or is only the target considered to be "under the effects" of the spell? In which case, Magic is Life loses it's appeal in this situation.

Thanks for any input!


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I'd definitely rule that you are "under the effects of a spell".
Mostly because, well, you are.

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bigrig107 wrote:

I'd definitely rule that you are "under the effects of a spell".

Mostly because, well, you are.

Agreed. If the spell is actively funneling damage at you, I would see that as you being under its effect.


The cantrip Arcane Mark lasts a month, unless dispelled. Only costs 5 gp to have someone cast it on you. Free if you are a magus, sorcerer, wizard, summoner, or witch. Probably free if one of these adventures with you.

Endure Elements costs 10gp, lasts 24 hours, and can be used by alchemist, cleric, oracle, druid, paladin, ranger, sorcerer, wizard, or summoner.

/cevah

Edit: add Endure Elements

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