DR / magic and outsider natural weapons

[M.M.]

I was looking through the bestiary and DR rules, and one thing caught my attention, is it true that only having DR/magic or a special quality will allow for natural attacks to bypass DR/magic? What would be the case with powerful outsiders say for example a glabrezu or nalfeshene demons? They have natural attacks but the attacks count only as chaptic and evil not magic and would not bypass the dr which seems strange to me as huge powerful demons just scream magic :). Is it that I'm missing a rule somewhere or does lawful, chaotic evil etc bypass DR/magic as well? Sorry for bothering you all :).

[Ascalaphus]

No, it's true. Some monsters have incompatible DR and will spend a lot of time fighting to inflict only scratches. It's kinda like watching mechas/kaiju etc. fight each other - they all hit really hard, but they're all really tough.

Major werewolf vs. demon might be an interesting fight.

[M.M.]

Thx, well it would be, I was planning a sidequest with a conflict between a glabrezu led demon cult and a winter hag led village, make the players choose between one evil and the other. That too will be interesting, hag seems to be at a disadvantage but I'll give her a couple of levels of witch to even the odds. Will be fun to see whom they pick :).

[Ascalaphus]

If you have two enemies fighting each other and they have a hard time damaging each other, interesting things can happen;

- They resort to more maneuvers, even if not skilled in them (since the AoO isn't quite so scary anyway). If you tie up an opponent you can use Coup de Grace attacks...

- They become interested in recruiting a third party (read: the PCs) who are better equipped for this sort of fight.

- They start trying to use their more circumstantial SLAs and such to seek an advantage.

[Nefreet]

I imagine this is why Demons and Devils have been at war for as long as they have =P

[lemeres]

Ascalaphus wrote:

If you have two enemies fighting each other and they have a hard time damaging each other, interesting things can happen;

- They resort to more maneuvers, even if not skilled in them (since the AoO isn't quite so scary anyway). If you tie up an opponent you can use Coup de Grace attacks...

- They become interested in recruiting a third party (read: the PCs) who are better equipped for this sort of fight.

- They start trying to use their more circumstantial SLAs and such to seek an advantage.

-they kill an angel (that they are built to fight) and use his sweet +3 Holy Cold Iron Longsword to turn their enemies into thinly sliced delicacies.

But yeah, DR is not something to simply get through. It represents that their flesh is tougher than that of a mortal man. I mean, would you believe that werewolves couldn't go around 'rough housing' with attacks that would kill a human?

Of course, going back to my point above- a werewolf with a decent level could take the eldritch claws feat, making their attacks count as silver. This would help to make them an 'alpha' among their peers, since their slightest grace tears through everyone else. Definitely something flavorful to put on a BBEG werewolf trying to keep control of a freshly infected village- he can keep the whole mystic of the 'dangerous beast' even when they are all the same creature.

Or the other werewolves could just grab the silverware. Certainly another story telling opportunity, since you have to ask why that werewolf you just killed needed so many silver arrows and daggers....

[David knott 242]

Demons usually cannot overcome each other's damage reduction. I quickly learned that summoning a demon to fight a demon is a poor strategy.