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As silly as this will sound, spell names. It's Melf's Acid Arrow, damn it! Mordenkainen's Sword! Come on, those are iconic!


Nykrat wrote:


DRAGONLANCE

Kender.

Kender should be killed on sight, along with their players. ;-)

Tinker Gnomes aren't much better.


DrDeth wrote:

Kender should be killed on sight, along with their players. ;-)

Tinker Gnomes aren't much better.

I think we've all had trouble with players mangling playable races. If I ever were to run a DL game, again, those two would be non-playable races...and only ever encountered singly. I did, however, enjoy the Lisa Smedman treatment of Kender vampires in When Black Roses Bloom. I ran Navrolina just prior to that one and made her a mother figure to the tribe.

I'd like to add the Kender Vampire to our list of lamentables.


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DrDeth wrote:

Kender should be killed on sight, along with their players. ;-)

Tinker Gnomes aren't much better.

Agreed on Kender, but extremely disagree on Tinker Gnomes. Gnomes were already cool, Tinker Gnomes took them to the level of awesome. I'm surprised no one has mentioned the Mystara campaign setting yet what with it being the setting of the only good D&D based action games.

As for other stuff I miss; while I generally dislike the Realms (too many uber NPCs for my tastes) I do miss sections of it like Maztica, Al-Qadim, and Kara-tur. I also miss Spelljammer for its wackiness.

The Exchange

I honestly felt Spelljammer kind of missed its original target. Instead of 'amazing new adventures in space' it got distracted by its own potential as Campaign Crossover Central. I think Distant Worlds handles it better - a lot more effort was made to present weird new worlds... Not to say that I disliked SJ. Nothing makes players cry like being told, "Oh, look, you're being overhauled by an illithid slave-ship. Roll for initiative. Them as die will be the lucky ones!"


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Having seen mention of the beloved Al-Qadim, Maztica, and Kara-Tur trinity, I find myself re-evaluating the implementation of similar themes and tropes in Pathfinder. Qadira fills one niche decently and has had an adventure path or two; the Dragon Empires sate another craving and, to my personal taste, surpasses it's predecessor. Maztica is in a strange place for me because I see some of the more Conquistador aspects playing out in a Kingmaker style campaign, but am unsure how I would go about running it for the local resistance.

Osirion scratches the Hamunaptera itch but doesn't completely assuage it. Garund touches on some the Nyambé feel but it would benefit from further import. As far as I know both are OGL and not WoTC.

I missed 2e kits until I saw the Pathfinder next-of-kin, and came to enjoy archetypes. While I never understood the reflexive hate that arose from some people for 'it's X culture and I don't like it so it sucks', I do like the idea of turning regional reflavors, like the alternate takes from Nyambé, into Alternate Classes. Now if only I could finish my Sha'ir alternate Summoner rewrite...

I admit I have the occasional nostalgia fit over some of the classic iconic monsters, exacerbated by a recent binge of retro gaming (and an especially notable homage involving Dragons and Crowns); I am actually quite shocked that there hasn't been more movement toward a Gazer monster with similarly filed off serial numbers.

While I appreciated the concept of SpellJammer, I enjoy the approach in Pathfinder a bit more. Then again I loved me some DragonStar, so there is a lot to be said for my tastes.


HenshinFanatic wrote:
DrDeth wrote:

Kender should be killed on sight, along with their players. ;-)

Tinker Gnomes aren't much better.

Agreed on Kender, but extremely disagree on Tinker Gnomes. Gnomes were already cool, Tinker Gnomes took them to the level of awesome.

The authors made bad jokes of ALL the demi-human races - except of course the glorious, brave and beautiful elves. (rolleyes) It was racial stereotyping of the worst sort.

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My players couldn't get away from Krynn's 'comic relief' races fast enough. Except the gully dwarves. I guess there's just something about four-foot-tall, slack-jawed hillbilly stereotypes that appealed to the group. Mind you, we were in our teens.

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TheAntiElite wrote:
the Dragon Empires sate another craving and, to my personal taste, surpasses it's predecessor.

While I love Kara-Tur, sometimes it felt a little too much like a straight port of the real world cultures, with a 'fantasy Japan' and 'fantasy China' and 'fantasy Korea' and 'fantasy Malaysia' all pretty much exactly where they should be.

While I'd be 100% for a pure 'fantasy port' setting, with a fantasy Scandinavia and fantasy Ireland and fantasy Eastern Europe and fantasy Mediterranean, settings seem more likely to have a generic non-Europe, but then much more 'Egypt-y' fantasy Egypt ports, and 'Persia-y' fantasy Araby ports, etc. so it ends up feeling a little weird for me, since there's a fantasy version of Tibet in the Realms, but not a fantasy version of most European nations, and all of Africa is shoved into Chult, which seems, relatively speaking, like trying to squeeze that entire continent into New Jersey.

I think I'd prefer for a fantasy setting to either have fantasy versions of all sorts of Earth cultures (getting as anachronistic as a game of Civilization, to pick the 'most interesting' periods), *or* not go there at all, and not have a 'fantasy Egypt' or 'fantasy Persia' or 'fantasy Asia' on a map that doesn't have similar fantasy Europe (or Africa, etc.) analogues.

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I admit I have the occasional nostalgia fit over some of the classic iconic monsters, exacerbated by a recent binge of retro gaming (and an especially notable homage involving Dragons and Crowns); I am actually quite shocked that there hasn't been more movement toward a Gazer monster with similarly filed off serial numbers.

Rather than precisely ape the Beholder or Illithid, I'd prefer a more setting-thematic attempt at stuff like that.

For example, a 'Beholder' that's tied into the cult of Groetus, and different enough that it's not only a 'beholder clone.'

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I miss the Dragon Shaman from the 3.5 PHB 2. You can see a lot of it's design in the Inquisitor, but I really enjoyed having a real breath weapon and unlimited auras rather than limited rounds of judgments and bane + spells.


I would just like to chime in and say that I'm actually kind of glad that Pathfinder doesn't have beholders, mind flayers, etc. Individual GMs are still free to convert those creatures for use in PF if they really want them, and Paizo has had to fill the gap left by their absence with new creatures. If it weren't for the absence of slaad, would we have proteans?

So yes, there are definitely some iconic monsters missing from the setting, but I think we're all richer for it.


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I forgot to include it in my last post but I miss Tactical feats. They added some interesting design space, but came too late in 3.5 to really make much of a difference.


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Darigaaz the Igniter wrote:

Weapons of Legacy

They need a serious pathfinderization overhaul, but I loved the idea behind them

While I wasn't completely wild about the implementation, Weapons of Legacy did do a very nice job of giving you unique and interesting magic items, and averting the usual problem of trading out your gear for highers plusses every few levels.


Caedwyr wrote:
Interjection Games wrote:
137ben wrote:

Since a lot of people keep saying Warlock, I'll point out that the there is a pathfinderized Warlock, renamed the Invoker for legal reasons. It's really well done and I like it more than the original warlock.

There's also a Pathfinder Truenamer (although I haven't really looked at it closely, so I can't speak to how good it is).

AFAIK the only 3.5 subsystem that hasn't been pathfinderized is shadowcasting from ToM.

My truenamer's on Endzeitgeist's nominees list for top 10 of 2014, mate :)

Yeah, Endzeitgeist gave it a glowing review. It's on my list of classes to check out.

Also, the Ethermancer was reviewed by Endzeitgeist as being the best iteration of the warlock in any d20 system.

Not to say there aren't bugs. The reverse version of Blastaff doesn't work quite right.


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Inneliese wrote:
If it weren't for the absence of slaad, would we have proteans?

Am I the only one who read that, "If not for the absence of salad, would we have proteins?"

Shadow Lodge

DrDeth wrote:
HenshinFanatic wrote:
DrDeth wrote:

Kender should be killed on sight, along with their players. ;-)

Tinker Gnomes aren't much better.

Agreed on Kender, but extremely disagree on Tinker Gnomes. Gnomes were already cool, Tinker Gnomes took them to the level of awesome.

The authors made bad jokes of ALL the demi-human races - except of course the glorious, brave and beautiful elves. (rolleyes) It was racial stereotyping of the worst sort.

The elves? You mean the arrogant, elitist pricks that were the race that ACTUALLY should have been killed on sight?


Set wrote:

While I love Kara-Tur, sometimes it felt a little too much like a straight port of the real world cultures, with a 'fantasy Japan' and 'fantasy China' and 'fantasy Korea' and 'fantasy Malaysia' all pretty much exactly where they should be.

While I'd be 100% for a pure 'fantasy port' setting, with a fantasy Scandinavia and fantasy Ireland and fantasy Eastern Europe and fantasy Mediterranean, settings seem more likely to have a generic non-Europe, but then much more 'Egypt-y' fantasy Egypt ports, and 'Persia-y' fantasy Araby ports, etc. so it ends up feeling a little weird for me, since there's a fantasy version of Tibet in the Realms, but not a fantasy version of most European nations, and all of Africa is shoved into Chult, which seems, relatively speaking, like trying to squeeze that entire continent into New Jersey.

I think I'd prefer for a fantasy setting to either have fantasy versions of all sorts of Earth cultures (getting as anachronistic as a game of Civilization, to pick the 'most interesting' periods), *or* not go there at all, and not have a 'fantasy Egypt' or 'fantasy Persia' or 'fantasy Asia' on a map that doesn't have similar fantasy Europe (or Africa, etc.) analogues.

Check out 7th Sea or Swashbuckling Adventures by Alderac Entertainment Group.

7th Sea is a pseudo Age of Sail/Exploration/Piracy setting with a little magic that is very flavorful and thematic and has lots of straight European analogues (fantasy England, France, Spain, Italy, Ireland, Germany, Russia, and Scandinavia with Arab land being a little less precise as its one big amalgamation). It uses a cinematic version of the rules from Legend of the Five Rings and Swashbuckling Adventures is the d20 adaptation that does away with standard spellcasters.

They also have Rokugan, a pseudo Fantasy samurai Japan with other asian bits where they thought they would be cool. A much looser analogue to history where the goal was cool fantasy samurai land. Legend of the Five Rings is their system and they did Rokugan as a 3e Oriental Adventures adapatation.

I find both lots of fun.

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Inneliese wrote:
If it weren't for the absence of slaad, would we have proteans?

Don't look at me; I have slaad and proteans. And githzerai and much, much more. Limbo is a big place! I mean, if you think of it as a 'place'.


Kthulhu wrote:
DrDeth wrote:
HenshinFanatic wrote:
DrDeth wrote:

Kender should be killed on sight, along with their players. ;-)

Tinker Gnomes aren't much better.

Agreed on Kender, but extremely disagree on Tinker Gnomes. Gnomes were already cool, Tinker Gnomes took them to the level of awesome.

The authors made bad jokes of ALL the demi-human races - except of course the glorious, brave and beautiful elves. (rolleyes) It was racial stereotyping of the worst sort.

The elves? You mean the arrogant, elitist pricks that were the race that ACTUALLY should have been killed on sight?

Is that where that dang personification comes from? dear lord, i cannot tell you how many arrogant elves I have come across where I just look at the ref and say "why does my bad tempered half orc barbarian not stab him a few times to get a point across right now again?"

Shadow Lodge

Thomas Long 175 wrote:
Kthulhu wrote:
DrDeth wrote:
HenshinFanatic wrote:
DrDeth wrote:

Kender should be killed on sight, along with their players. ;-)

Tinker Gnomes aren't much better.

Agreed on Kender, but extremely disagree on Tinker Gnomes. Gnomes were already cool, Tinker Gnomes took them to the level of awesome.

The authors made bad jokes of ALL the demi-human races - except of course the glorious, brave and beautiful elves. (rolleyes) It was racial stereotyping of the worst sort.

The elves? You mean the arrogant, elitist pricks that were the race that ACTUALLY should have been killed on sight?

Is that where that dang personification comes from? dear lord, i cannot tell you how many arrogant elves I have come across where I just look at the ref and say "why does my bad tempered half orc barbarian not stab him a few times to get a point across right now again?"

DL wasn't the ultimate origin of haughty elves, but it did turn the dial so far PAST 11 that I was hoping that the heroes would team up with the dragon highlords to genocide the entire species.


Thelemic_Noun wrote:
What do you miss most?

The Telflammar Shadowlord of Forgotten Realms: Unapproachable East. Also, a hand full of feats from 3.5 that made the Rogue a good deal more threatening in combat:

Craven
Staggering Strike
Dark Stalker
Can't remember the name, but turned SA from d6s to d8s


Robert Carter 58 wrote:
I would love a base bardic class that resembles the old druidic bard from 1st edition. That was always the Bard for me. Druidic magic and nature lore rather than arcane magic. Hearkening back to Gellor the Bard from the Gord the Rogue series.

So, play a druid and call yourself a bard.


Shadowlord wrote:
Can't remember the name, but turned SA from d6s to d8s

Sacred Strike from Book of Exalted Deeds

Scarab Sages Modules Overlord

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As a designer I'd most like to have these toys to play with in Pathfinder:
Beholders
Githyanki
Neogi
Umber Hulk

And Beguilers and Marshals, which I always thought were really neat.


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Owen K. C. Stephens wrote:

As a designer I'd most like to have these toys to play with in Pathfinder:

Beholders
Githyanki
Neogi
Umber Hulk

I always forget about these guys...

...then they show up and start asking about buying the rest of your party. And then you say, "Hey, I'll trade you for the big one!" Then the Old Master attacks you, because you couldn't find your old Farscape dvds. Then he dies on the coffee table and there's glass everywhere. Then you feel sad, because the emerging brood are trying to kill and eat each other. Then you feel angry, because they're trying to kill you. Then the neogi ship lands and they start complaining about missing offspring quotas and blame you for their anatomy. Then you're party's back and trying to kill you...Good times. Now where's my Lords of Madness...


The monsters many people have already named for me. No matter how hard people have tried nothing can really replace the mindflayers and beholders. The various Gith were also a lot of fun. I also miss the named spells, they lent a "certain something" to magic that is just not the same with the generic names.


Kthulhu wrote:
Thomas Long 175 wrote:
Kthulhu wrote:
DrDeth wrote:
HenshinFanatic wrote:
DrDeth wrote:

Kender should be killed on sight, along with their players. ;-)

Tinker Gnomes aren't much better.

Agreed on Kender, but extremely disagree on Tinker Gnomes. Gnomes were already cool, Tinker Gnomes took them to the level of awesome.

The authors made bad jokes of ALL the demi-human races - except of course the glorious, brave and beautiful elves. (rolleyes) It was racial stereotyping of the worst sort.

The elves? You mean the arrogant, elitist pricks that were the race that ACTUALLY should have been killed on sight?

Is that where that dang personification comes from? dear lord, i cannot tell you how many arrogant elves I have come across where I just look at the ref and say "why does my bad tempered half orc barbarian not stab him a few times to get a point across right now again?"
DL wasn't the ultimate origin of haughty elves, but it did turn the dial so far PAST 11 that I was hoping that the heroes would team up with the dragon highlords to genocide the entire species.

Yeah, haughty elves as a base idea goes at least all they way back to Tolkein and modern fantasy elves in general. And pre-Tolkein folklore certainly never had elf-like faerie creatures that were known for their modesty and lack of ego. As I recall, most faeries in general tended to look down on those silly, clumsy, ignorant humans.


Zhayne wrote:
Thelemic_Noun wrote:
Zhayne wrote:
It looked cool right up until I read 'roleplaying mixed with mechanics' and vomited.
You didn't think Hell would just give you free stuff and forget about it, did you?

The point is, the book shouldn't force that degree of flavor onto a character. Every time I read 'roleplaying mixed with mechanics', I hear 'there's only one way to play this character'.

If it's easily reflavorable, then yay. But if the rules include stuff like there is in cleric, druid, or paladin entries, well, f .... orget that s ... tuff.

For clarification:

The 'roleplaying mixed with mechanics' section refers to the taboo class feature. However, ultimately it functions more in the way of a sorcerer's bloodline (a LOT of pact types and a LOT of taboos). Some (like the "thrice told" taboo, an option for the fey pact) have an influence on roleplaying while others are purely mechanical.

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