DeathSpot |
What happens if I cast antimagic field, then walk through a wall of suppression? Does the AMF get dispelled? What about any spells I have up that are currently suppressed by the AMF? Do they go away? Or does the AMF protect everything inside it from the WOS?
Pappy |
My reading of this would be that they are both doing essentially the same thing - suppressing/negating magic effects within the area of effect. So I'm not sure that it would make a material difference mechanically to the game.
If this were to happen in our game I would rule in favour of the wall of suppression as it is a higher level spell. But I would also say that the antimagic field rusumes after passing through the effect of the wall of suppression.
Claxon |
I would probably just rule they overlack and don't affect one another.
Per the spell antimagic field:
Two or more antimagic fields sharing any of the same space have no effect on each other. Certain spells, such as wall of force, prismatic sphere, and prismatic wall, remain unaffected by antimagic field. Artifacts and deities are unaffected by mortal magic such as this.
Per Wall of Suppression:
Effect anti-magic wall occupying up to two 5 ft. cubes/level (S)
So, they shouldn't affect one another at all.
DeathSpot |
Except WOS suppresses spells for a number of rounds after the objects/spells leave it, whereas AMF only suppresses while in the area of effect. That, to me, is an important distinction.
Here's the key question: let's say I have bull's strength up, cast AMF, then walk through a WOS, then a round later, dismiss the AMF. What happens to the bull's strength? Is it unaffected, because the AMF suppressed the WOS? Is it suppressed by the WOS, because the WOS suppressed the AMF and all other spells I have up? The two spell effects have conflicting actions here. Can I use AMF to get by a WOS without losing all the spells I have up? And yes, I know AMF is a lower-level spell, but there are innumerable instances where a lower-level spell neutralizes a higher-level one.
Claxon |
But they're both antimagic, and antimagic field says antimagic has no effect on each other. Near as I can tell, the intention is they do not interact.
As to consider what happens in your hypothetical.
You cast bull's strength. You cast antimagic field. *You cannot cast anything while standing in the antimagic field, so you move. You cast Wall of suppression such that you walk through it into the AMF. You walk thorugh the wall, and into the AMF. You decide to dismiss the AMF.
As AMF does not dispel, but only suppresses, the casting of bull's strength was still there. Though doing basically nothing while inside the AMF. When you walked through WoS, it's effect suppressed Bull's Strength for a number of rounds equal to "level", notably they don't mention if it's caster level or not but I assume it is. So after you've dismissed AMF, bull's strength continues to be suppressed by WoS for a number of rounds equal to caster level after you walked through it.
Pappy |
I think that I get what you are asking, takes me a while to catch on! I agree with Claxon's description. The two anti-magic effects have no influence on one another. Therefore, the bull strength would be suppressed by WoS for several rounds after passing through the wall.
In order for WoS not to interact with other ongoing spells (such as bull strength), we would be assuming that the original suppression effectively hides the spells as if they are not there at all. This isn't my understanding of how a suppressed spell works.
This differs from my original answer, but I think that it is a better answer. Hope this helps, but I don't think it was the answer you were looking for.
DeathSpot |
Pappy, that's exactly what I'm wondering. Can I use AMF to protect me from WoS? Both are spells, and both specifically state that they suppress any other spell (with the exceptions listed in the spells, neither of which is either spell). Either AMF suppresses WoS, or WoS suppresses AMF, or both suppress the other (not really possible to my thinking), or neither suppresses the other (except the wording of both spells says they'd suppress the other).
Claxon, you're not quite right on my situation: I'm walking along (with bull's strength up, and come across a WoS. I cast AMF (which, btw, is centered on me, not stationary) and walk through the WoS. What happens to the bull's strength?
A strict reading of AMF says it would suppress the WoS while it's in the AMF's area of effect. A strict reading of WoS says it would suppress the AMF for 1 round/level. Both of those things...can't happen. I think. One should win. I don't know which.
Now, there's also the bit Claxon mentioned about two or more AMFs sharing the same space, and how they don't affect each other. But they're...not exactly the same. WoS has an additional effect. And neither is called out as being immune to the other.
Pappy |
I think the answer will depend on how we treat the "two anti-magic fields sharing any of the same space have no effect on one another" in the description. You are right that the descriptions of the two things is not identical. The effect, while not exactly the same, is still an "anti-magic" effect though. For this reason I think that the above quote applies.
If we can agree on the above paragraph then we can propose the following,
(Option one) WoS and AMF ignore each other and also ignore any spells that were being suppressed by each other. This satisfies the no effect on one another part, but perhaps ignoring ongoing spells breaks the description of both AMF and WoS.
(Option two) WoS and AMF ignore each other, but affect the ongoing spells as if the AMF (or WoS) wasn't present at all. This is how I understand Claxon's explanation.
If we cannot agree that they are both anti-magic fields (effects) then I'm not sure what the answer would be.
bbangerter |
Any magic item or magical spell or effect of your caster level or lower that passes through the wall is suppressed for 1 round per level.
Are you a higher caster level than the WoS caster? If so neither your AMF or Bull's Strength are effected. If not they are both suppressed for 1 round/level.
Claxon |
(Option two) WoS and AMF ignore each other, but affect the ongoing spells as if the AMF (or WoS) wasn't present at all. This is how I understand Claxon's explanation.
If we cannot agree that they are both anti-magic fields (effects) then I'm not sure what the answer would be.
Exactly what I was trying to say, though I did forget that AMF is centered on the caster.
The point is that because they are both antimagic effects (albeit with slightly different effects) they act like the don't see one another. They both apply at the same time and one has no affect on the other.
Suppressed is not dispelled on hidden.
Perhaps if I mention that if you walked through a WoS and then has dispel magic cast on you (successfully) it would strip you of Bull's Strength despite it not currently being active due to the suppression affect.