So my question is that a ranger can get a feat without the pre-reqs. So what happens if the ranger gets up to greater two weapon fighting without having two-weapon or improved two weapon? Do they get three attacks from just the one feat? What happens in this case?
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So my question is that a ranger can get a feat without the pre-reqs. So what happens if the ranger gets up to greater two weapon fighting without having two-weapon or improved two weapon? Do they get three attacks from just the one feat? What happens in this case?
I'd say you get one extra attack at -10. If you want the abilities conferred by the Two-Weapon and Improved Two-Weapon feats, you have to take them, BUT you don't have to if all you want is the ability from the Greater Two-Weapon feat.
Note that if you do skip the first feat, you'll have a -6 penalty to main-hand attacks and a -10 penalty to off-hand attack(s) (or -4/-8 with light off-hand weapon).
Anyway, GTWF says "[y]ou get a third attack with your off-hand weapon," so you'd get a third off-hand attack, but you won't have a second off-hand attack; whether it's possible to actually make a "third" attack without first making a "second" attack is debatable at best.
If you had gtwf but none of the others you would have 5 attacks.
3 from bab 1 from twf (you do not need a feat to twf) and one for gtwf. All at -4 -8. So the gtwf part is at -18.
Mojorat: You do not need the feat "Two Weapon Fighting" to be able to fight with two weapons, it is just very impractical to do so. The feat "only" reduces the penalties for fighting with two weapons.
Erm... you may want to re-read his post:
If you had gtwf but none of the others you would have 5 attacks.
3 from bab 1 from twf (you do not need a feat to twf) and one for gtwf. All at -4 -8. So the gtwf part is at -18.
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If you had gtwf but none of the others you would have 5 attacks.
3 from bab 1 from twf (you do not need a feat to twf) and one for gtwf. All at -4 -8. So the gtwf part is at -18.
I think this is correct.
However, the Ranger can select GTWF as a bonus feat at level 10, before he has a 3rd iterative attack from BAB.
So it would be iteratives at +10/+5 and then 1 from TWF and 1 from GTWF.
And yeah, the main hand takes big penalties and the off-hand attacks suffer massive penalties.
Ahh your correct. I just wanted to emphasise he got all the penalties.