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What is the purpose of having to own a physical copy or a watermarked PDF of something?

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Daniel Schwab wrote:
What is the purpose of having to own a physical copy or a watermarked PDF of something?

Part of the purpose is to be able to provide the rules, if the GM wants to know how it works.

The other part is to drive sales; while scenario sales help, Paizo gives those away to Venture Officers, who can lend them out for free, so they have to earn money to keep the campaign running, somehow.

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What do you mean by "lend them out"?

Grand Lodge 5/5 Regional Venture-Coordinator, Baltic

People are allowed to give/lend other people printed versions of scenarios, but not the digital ones!

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Auke Teeninga wrote:
People are allowed to give/lend other people printed versions of scenarios, but not the digital ones!

So if one person brings all the hardcover books, it is okay for anyone to use them?

Liberty's Edge 5/5

No. He's talking about scenarios.

Each person must own their own copies. There are some family exceptions.

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Nevermind I misread that part.

So the GMs running the event are expected to all buy the scenario individually unless someone prints copies out for all of them?

So how do you prove you own anything during any online games?

If someone uses information from 5 different hard cover books, are they expected to bring those books with them every time they play?

The "knowing how it works" reason is kinda moot with all the information free online. So it is just to bring in revenue then?

Shadow Lodge 3/5

It's a matter of fairness to Paizo (and the GM, to an extent).

If you're looking at a friend's book to see what's in it, Paizo gets nothing out of it, fair enough, libraries do that - but if you've gone so far as to start using some of its content in your games, you should really buy it and reward the guys who made that content for you. Online games work the same way.

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Daniel Schwab wrote:
So how do you prove you own anything during any online games?

Online games are generally a bit more lax about those rules, specifically because it's harder to prove ownership. And most in person games are pretty lax about it to begin with.

Daniel Schwab wrote:
If someone uses information from 5 different hard cover books, are they expected to bring those books with them every time they play?

Yes.

Daniel Schwab wrote:
The "knowing how it works" reason is kinda moot with all the information free online. So it is just to bring in revenue then?

The entire point of PFS is to sell more Pathfinder stuff, yes.

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Andrew Christian wrote:

No. He's talking about scenarios.

Each person must own their own copies. There are some family exceptions.

Family Exceptions?

Grand Lodge 4/5

Daniel Schwab wrote:
Andrew Christian wrote:

No. He's talking about scenarios.

Each person must own their own copies. There are some family exceptions.

Family Exceptions?

Family members at the same table can share resources.

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So is it expected of all the GMs at an event to own a copy of the scenario they are running? Unless one of them prints it off for them(which I am guessing they must get rid of it after)? Or is only a VC supposed to be able to share them like that?

Grand Lodge 4/5

Daniel Schwab wrote:
So is it expected of all the GMs at an event to own a copy of the scenario they are running? Unless one of them prints it off for them(which I am guessing they must get rid of it after)? Or is only a VC supposed to be able to share them like that?

1) Every GM running a scenario needs to have some sort of copy available to run the game as it should be run.

2) The GM can purchase their own copy, or be gifted a copy, of a scenario they will be running.

3) Anyone who owns the scenario themselves can print out a copy on paper to leand to someone who is going to be GMing it. Typically, you can lend it to them a few days in advance, so they can prep it.

After the game has been run, unless they are going to be running it again shortly, they have to return the printed copy to the person who actually owns the scenario.

Typically, the print & lend option is used by coordinators, organizers and VOs.

The gift option is frequently used by some VOs and organizers, along with Paizo themselves for their big cons.

Some of us GMs, especiallty if we somehow wind up as an organizer, wind up buying most of the scenarios ourselves.

I have a couple of scenarios that were gifted/given to me because I was going to be running them, I have some of the more recent scenarios waiting for my funds to open up enough to purchase, but, otherwise, I own all the scenarios from Season 0 through 5-23... Some of them are even printed out, usually ones I have or plan to run...

Shadow Lodge 4/5 Venture-Captain, California—San Francisco Bay Area South & West

[Edit: This post is a response to the post two prior to this, not to Kinevon's post]

Actually, it's a bit looser than that.

Mike Brock has stated that a group of friends who regularly all play together at a table can share a single physical copy of a book.

Normally, you can only use a PDF resource (electronic or printed copy) if it has a watermark bearing your name. The exception is that family members can share a PDF resource, even if they are not at the same table (one can use the electronic copy, while another could use a printed copy).

VOs and event coordinators are allowed to lend (watermarked) physical copies of a scenario to a GM; we are absolutely not allowed to lend out electronic copies.

It is extremely uncommon to actually be asked to show proof that you own a copy of a resource you are using; in the three years I've been playing PFS I've never had to present evidence. Similarly, I've never asked a player to show me a copy of a book; I've asked a couple of times where a feat/trait/item comes from, or whether they actually have a copy of, say, The Adventurer's Armory or Ultimate Equipment (if they're using a spring-loaded wrist sheath); if they say they own the book, I'll take their word.

While this is true for general PFS play, I know that a couple of GMs around here will do a full character audit for every character when they run them through the Eyes of the Ten retirement arc.

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