Hey all, I'm having a bit of confusion as to the natural attack limit. Specifically, whether or not the 'Rake' special ability counts toward the limit. I use Hero Lab, and am making a level 11 Wild Caller Summoner. My Eidolon is quadruped, and has the extra limbs evolution, a bite attack, and 4 claws. This brings me up to the limit of 5 natural attacks at this level. However, when I add the rake evolution, my hero lab yells at me for having 6/5 natural attacks allowed. Is this a bug or intentional?
Herolab is correct.
This evolution counts as one natural attack toward the eidolon's maximum.
Rake counts as 1 natural attack towards the limit
How does rake work in combat? Same thing with pounce? I'm thinking of playing a Druid so I'm wondering how these would work when i attack. Any info would be a big help please.
Sorry don't mean to jack this thread.
Somehow I completely missed that line. Thanks for the help guys.
Rake is just putting 2 claws on the back feet of the quadraped. The difference between the rake evolution and claws is that you get to make a rake attack if you win a grapple check. Claw(the evolution) attacks don't trigger on a grapple check.
Pounce allows you to charge and still make a full attack, which means you get one attack with every natural attack you have.
Rake is just putting 2 claws on the back feet of the quadraped. The difference between the rake evolution and claws is that you get to make a rake attack if you win a grapple check. Claw(the evolution) attacks don't trigger on a grapple check.
Pounce allows you to charge and still make a full attack, which means you get one attack with every natural attack you have.
Or rather, pounce and rake are specifically called out as working with each other as a special exception. As you can see: here
The basic idea here is that claws on the hind legs are inherently awkward and can only be used in certain circumstances (since those are the legs they rest on while doing the normal bite/claw/claw). These circumstances are either: A.) When it has a firm grasp of the prey, and then it can just roll on its back so its hind legs are free to kick/slash, or B.) When you jump on the back of the target and just let all the claws sink in.
Rake is just putting 2 claws on the back feet of the quadraped. The difference between the rake evolution and claws is that you get to make a rake attack if you win a grapple check. Claw(the evolution) attacks don't trigger on a grapple check.
Pounce allows you to charge and still make a full attack, which means you get one attack with every natural attack you have.
Or rather, pounce and rake are specifically called out as working with each other as a special exception. As you can see: here
The basic idea here is that claws on the hind legs are inherently awkward and can only be used in certain circumstances (since those are the legs they rest on while doing the normal bite/claw/claw). These circumstances are either: A.) When it has a firm grasp of the prey, and then it can just roll on its back so its hind legs are free to kick/slash, or B.) When you jump on the back of the target and just let all the claws sink in.
I wrote it like that because an eidolon can put the claw or rake evolution on its hind legs. The claws cost 1 evo point. The rake cost 2. When reading the description the only difference is that rake(the evolution) gets an attack upon a successful grapple.
I know how general rakes work, but if I did not point out what I did someone might ask why the rake cost more if it is also just a claw attack, so I explained in advance why the raking claws cost most.
I wrote it like that because an eidolon can put the claw or rake evolution on its hind legs. The claws cost 1 evo point. The rake cost 2. When reading the description the only difference is that rake(the evolution) gets an attack upon a successful grapple.
I know how general rakes work, but if I did not point out what I did someone might ask why the rake cost more if it is also just a claw attack, so I explained in advance why the raking claws cost most.
And I wasn't criticizing. I trusted that you had a handle on the system. I just like to include links like that for people like Razal-Thule, who might be unfamiliar with the underlying rules of these special attacks and abilities. After that, it was just my idle chatter.
The basic idea here is that claws on the hind legs are inherently awkward and can only be used in certain circumstances (since those are the legs they rest on while doing the normal bite/claw/claw). These circumstances are either: A.) When it has a firm grasp of the prey, and then it can just roll on its back so its hind legs are free to kick/slash, or B.) When you jump on the back of the target and just let all the claws sink in.But Eidolon Rake and Pounce work differently from the universal monster rules right?
While I can certainly see why that is often a safe assumption (yeah...eidolon rules are a bit of a can of worms when it comes to comparing them to the general rules), I am not seeing too much that would differentiate it from the universal monster ability.
Well, I am a bit too tired to completely reconcile rake, but pounce is the important one in this anyway (grappling rules do that to me). And pounce does not mention that it works any differently from the universal monster ability.
Unless I am gravely mistaken. If so, then I do hope someone corrects any misinformation I have.