YoricksRequiem |
So, TSP had a bit of rather bad luck last night. He had written up a massive thing including lots of the races, and 10-15 paragraphs of world lore and apparently the website ate it.
And he didn't have it saved beforehand.
Rookie mistake. ;) I've had enough bad experiences on here to always always always use Google Docs if I'm writing something more than a paragraph. That's lousy as hell, though. Hopefully it won't be too bad for him to do it again.
Rynjin |
One of my secondary ideas was a Cavalier (or potentially Preacher Inquisitor)/Tactician myself.
Cavalier/Tactican makes for a neat combo. What do you do?
-Grant the whole party Teamwork Feats. Teamwork Feats aren't super great, but there are a few that are really good when you have someone who can give them to you for free. And BOTH classes get them as bonuses.
-Designate an enemy as a High Priority Target (Coordinated Strike).
-Manifest a power on himself, then Echo it to others as needed.
-Sit back and relax.
-Challenge a guy.
-TALLY-HO!
Not the BEST synergy, but pretty neat and thematic. The 9th level powers are icing on the cake.
Redblade8 |
I couldn't recall if anyone else was contemplating a tactician, and was seriously considering that for the psionic half of my gestalt. Glad to see they're on people's radar.
Given a nomad/elocater's absurd ease in getting flanking, Ryn, if you do go cav/tac, I will happily put Outflank into my build at my earliest opportunity (if I have it myself, then even when your cav features aren't making it a teamwork extravaganza, I can still set up with you and one other person you focus out to).
Ghorrin Redblade
Redblade8 |
Ha! Rynjin, that cavalier/tactician idea sounds really fun.
Not necessarily very synergistic either, but I could see a vitalist//alchemist being really cool in the mad scientist roll...
"Hold still. It will be absolutely painless... I won't feel a thing."
Ha! That quote of yours took me back to one of my favorite characters from City of Villains, a mad scientist. "Please hold this, and try not to scream... oh don't be such a baby, I've done this to myself dozens of times.". :D
YoricksRequiem |
Talked to TSP last night, and he wanted me to let you all know that the official starting level for this is 5.
Did he happen to mention the point buy amount? I can't recall it ever being said if it was 20 or 25. I think I assumed higher just because it's a Gestalt game, but clarification would be fantastic.
Xentik |
Yup. The WotR that he finished recruitment on recently was 28 point using that method, and the Zeitgeist that's still ongoing is the same 26 point buy.
The method also allows you to dump stats down to 8 if you want a couple more points, although with such generous point buy I prefer not having dump stats.
Xentik |
Yorick: Depending on what you want your Psion to do, you might aim the other half to pick up a prestige class that adds some utility that you might not be able to get otherwise. A lot of prestige classes that have nice abilities but generally not worth going into (e.g. Shadowdancer) become more attractive in a Gestalt.
Failing that there's always fighter for extra feats or rogue/bard for a ton of skills. Both would give you better HD and BAB as well.
Rynjin |
Honest to god, with all these options I cannot find a second class that I like for pairing with my Psion.
What kind of Psion? Depending on your specialty, different classes may be worthwhile.
Strength 1
Dexterity 26(22+4)
Constitution 18
Intelligence 12
Wisdom 26(22+4)
Charisma 6(10-4)Akula needs an agile amulet of the mighty fists. badly.
I hope for your sake we never fight Shadows.
Also how the heck did you get your stats that high? 0_o
Azten |
I hope for your sake we never fight Shadows.
Also how the heck did you get your stats that high? 0_o
Using The Noble Wild(a pdf/book I have that our GM dies as well) and playing a bat. Also the unique point buy.
Which I realize now I messed up slightly. Moving Dex and Wis down to 22 each.
alexgndl |
@Azten-is this the rules for sentient animals you were talking about? Seems to be it, if not extremely similar.
YoricksRequiem |
Honest to god, with all these options I cannot find a second class that I like for pairing with my Psion.
What kind of Psion? Depending on your specialty, different classes may be worthwhile.
Fighter. All the utility of 9th levels of powers with the BaB, fort saves, armor, and weapons of a brutal frontline combatant!
Yorick: Depending on what you want your Psion to do, you might aim the other half to pick up a prestige class that adds some utility that you might not be able to get otherwise. A lot of prestige classes that have nice abilities but generally not worth going into (e.g. Shadowdancer) become more attractive in a Gestalt.
Failing that there's always fighter for extra feats or rogue/bard for a ton of skills. Both would give you better HD and BAB as well.
I'm going with a Blue Telepath Psion. I'd originally been planning Dread, before I noticed that it takes like 5 feats to make Devastating Touch both ranged and decent. Then I thought about Tactician but it doesn't really fit the character concept I have in mind. So then I thought that I could go with the Soulknife archetype that's based around Finesse to get some okay melee damage going on, but I wasn't super planning on being a melee combatant. And I don't think any of the Prestige Classes are super appealing, but I'm also not very familiar with most of them.
Right now I guess I'm torn between a couple of things:
- Psychic Warrior (Martial Kineticist): 4+Int Skills, 3/4 BAB, a couple of bonus feats and some pretty okay powers.
- Dread: 6+Int skills, 3/4 BAB, a couple of neat Horror powers.
- Soulknife: 4+Int Skills, +1 BAB, a couple of Blade skills for a decent melee combatant.
But I can't really figure on which way I want to go with it.
I was planning on my Goblin being all about manipulation and deceit, with really high skills, especially in Knowledges, which makes me think I should go towards the Dread. As a Psychic Warrior I'll have fewer points and fewer things as Class skills.
I keep thinking if I did a 1 level dip of Soulknife (Nimble) I could get +1d10 HD, +1 BAB, and Weapon Finesse and the Mind Blade Finesse skill, which would allow me to use Weapon Finesse with a two-handed mindblade weapon, which might be a nice backup. Until I remember that I'm a small character, so such a weapon would only do like 1d8 damage. Which is still not bad, but I'm not sure it justifies a level dip? Being both a Goblin and a small character means I'd probably only have 10 Strength, which is kind of killing the melee thing for me.
Psion (Telepathy) 5 | Soulknife (Nimble Blade) 1 | Dread 4 is quite the mouthful. But might sort of work.
I was planning on my Stat array being something like: 10 STR, 18 DEX, 14 CHA, 20 INT, 10 WIS, 16 CHA.
I don't know, I'm totally open to suggestions.
Xentik |
Keep in mind that both halves don't have to be Psionic.
I'm not so sure Soulknife as a dip is so great. Certainly you get a feat, but your mindblade isn't upgradeable at all, and the only 2h finesse weapon then would be an Elven Curve Blade, which is exotic. It doesn't particularly sound like you want a Gish though.
Rynjin beat me to it, but I was actually going to suggest Alchemist as well, although you might also look at the Investigator in the ACG. Mindchemist really sounds like it'd work well for boosting your psionic side though. Psionic perfection through alchemy!
YoricksRequiem |
I actually adore both the Alchemist and the Investigator - which is why I'd like to stay away from them for this. I'm already playing 2 of each of those. Inquisitor is another favourite class of mine that I'm trying to avoid. And since it's rare that I get to try Psionic classes, I do really want to take this opportunity to try two of them.
I'm not so sure Soulknife as a dip is so great. Certainly you get a feat, but your mindblade isn't upgradeable at all, and the only 2h finesse weapon then would be an Elven Curve Blade, which is exotic. It doesn't particularly sound like you want a Gish though.
If you go with the Nimble Blade archetype, you get Mind Blade Finesse for free, which means using Finesse on your Mindblade even if it's in the form of a two handed weapon. But because it doesn't help with damage, I'm not actually sure that going with low-str/high-dex would work for this character, as I had in mind. Still, I should be able to do 16 STR / 16 DEX without issue.
I actually just discovered, though, the Cutthroat archetype of the Soulknife, which might very well be exactly what I want. Psion/Soulknife is sounding better and better.
Redblade8 |
Question for DM when you get a chance:
Can forgeborn be made from races other than human? I'm contemplating a second character idea, fighter¦psion (using the forgeborn archetype for fighters) instead of slayer. Same basic idea as Daanith, except he was the only survivor, and even he wouldn't have made it without being transformed into a forgeborn.
Xentik |
Xentik wrote:I'm not so sure Soulknife as a dip is so great. Certainly you get a feat, but your mindblade isn't upgradeable at all, and the only 2h finesse weapon then would be an Elven Curve Blade, which is exotic. It doesn't particularly sound like you want a Gish though.If you go with the Nimble Blade archetype, you get Mind Blade Finesse for free, which means using Finesse on your Mindblade even if it's in the form of a two handed weapon. But because it doesn't help with damage, I'm not actually sure that going with low-str/high-dex would work for this character, as I had in mind. Still, I should be able to do 16 STR / 16 DEX without issue.
Right, but a mind blade isn't a weapon and can't be enchanted, which makes a one level dip to weapon finesse a 2h weapon less than ideal. When you want to upgrade you'd need to switch to a mundane weapon, and that would require picking up Exotic WP for the curved blade (or being an elf I suppose). Of course the point is moot since it seems you've come up with a solution.
Actually, if you're going Cutthroat, I'd stay with the Dex build. At 5th level Soul-knife you can make your weapon +1 agile, so you're set on damage. Higher dex will go well with evasion/imp. evasion, which you can pick up with blade skills as a cutthroat. Also, while you don't get Weapon Finesse for free, you can pick it up as a Blade Skill at level 2. Do keep at least 13 str for Power Attack though, since a 2H finesse weapon doesn't work with Piranha strike.