Are there any official rules or errata about using a two-handed weapon with one hand? If there are rules or errata, can someone point me in the right direction?
Of note, I am not looking for using a weapon not sized for the character. I want a medium character using a two-handed weapon built for a medium creature. Thanks in advance.
Titan mauler barbarian
Phalanx Soldier fighter (limited to spears/polearms)
Try to use the search function. There are a lot (really a lot) of questions regarding two-handed weapons in one hand or Inappropriately Sized Weapons.
As Eridan said, with the caveat that you cannot wield a two-handed weapon with one hand unless you have some specific ability which lets you do so (like titan mauler/phalanx soldier as he points out).
Thanks for the help. I was looking for something without taking a special archtype or feat. Like a penalty or something. But if there isn't anything that's fine.
As for the search function, I tried that route and it all seemed related to special abilities and how strength mod applies when they are used. Nothing mention someone using one without a special ability.
Basically, I'm working on a character for PFS that eventually gets Thunder & Fang feat but I was interested in seeing how the stlye would work without the feat. Thanks again.
Side-note: While not "technically" what you're looking for, look at the Sunblade. It's a Bastard Sword that "spoofs" the handling of a Shortsword. This means that, while it does the damage and has the impact of a full Bastard Sword, it only weighs as much as a shortsword and handles like a light weapon rather than a 1-h weapon (or 2-h if lacking EWP). This means that a Sunblade 1 size too big for you deals damage comparable to a Greatsword, but you wield it as a 1-h weapon (a light weapon 1 size too big is treated as 1-h) for -2 improper size penalty. So a Medium character could wield a Large Sunblade as a 1-h weapon and do 2d8 damage at -2 attack one-handed as compared to a Medium Greatsword dealing 2d6 damage two-handed. It also saves you a feat as martial proficiency covers shortswords and proficiency with a shortsword covers the Sunblade. You could even go a step further and wield a Huge Sunblade as a 2-h weapon for -4 attack and 3d8 damage. A Huge Sunblade would be about 16' long; you're basically swinging around the wing of a Cesna.
This. There are two handed weapons that can be used with one hand. The bastard sword is another 2 handed weapon that can be use with a single hand if you have exotic weapon training.
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Huh?
Some info was needed, as Kazaan is giving some incorrect information. Not a disagreement, but just incorrect.
I think it is important to use the correct damage modifier when using weapons one-handed, regardless if the weapon itself is Two Handed or not.
Perhaps I mentioned the previous thread's troubles a bit to much, but I couldn't see the very reason behind a change to be regarded as not important enough to comment on.
Should I flag the post instead of pointing out the error? Email the web page? PM the particular user and appeal to his good nature to correct the error himself?
What should I do in this given situation? Let it go and have other posters believe the error?
thaX,
What I believe Chris was getting at is that all of this information being provided, correct or incorrect, has nothing to do with the original request I made. I understand the mechanics of how the damage is applied and never asked about that. I was looking for an example of RAW where you could use a weapon intended to be used in two-hands by the appropriate sized creature in only one hand. Like some kind of penalty to hit like the inappropriate sized penalty or something.
Chris was simply pointing out that this thread was hijacked and used to continue an arguement that seems to be continuing from other threads.
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The process is pretty defined for the base set of rules; you can't use a two handed weapon of your size in one hand without some specific exception; feat or skill.
The rules are definitely more vague on changing sizes of weapons and effort requirements, especially going backwards; i.e. If I can use a two handed weapon of my size in one hand due to a feat, can I increase the weapon size one step and use 2 hands matching the required effort...thus the prior heated exchanges.
Starting with smaller size weapon and increasing the effort with a -2 usually matches the damage of a similar one handed med weapon so it is counter productive.
Ultimately what it seems you are after - the answer is no.
There used to be "monkey grip", but afaik that didn't make the cut transitioning from DD3.5 to PF. I believe it was -2 to hit, but wield in one hand. Always seemed to me like anime-inspired cheese.
Just go with a bastard sword and exotic weapon proficiency.
Is there are feat in PF where you remain medium-sized, but you use weapons as if you were large? Or a race perhaps? I seem to vaguely recall such a thing in DD3.5.
Ultimately what it seems you are after - the answer is no.
That's where it seems to be heading. I was trying to get the feel of someone learning the Thunder anf Fang feat, before they master the style. Oh well, it will have to remain a story thing for now.
Just alternate between using the klar with another weapon and using the earthbreaker.
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The 32 page Paizo book Dwarves of Golarion written back when Paizo was still writing by 3.5 rules had the dwarven dorn-dergar. It is a two handed weapon but there is a feat that allows it to be used one handed. It is one of the few exotic weapons actually worth considering a geT for. If dwarf with marital proficiency, you may then wield it without the feat expenditure like a dwavern waraxe in the same circumstance.
MYbe the powerful build racial feature may appeal to you. The 3.5 golieth race had it but they were a +1 ECL, or in other words too powerful for a regular race. It would be like a 15-20 point race in PF where all the CRB races are 7-11 points. Maybe you can use Advanced Race Guide to make your own reasonable pointbuy race with powerful build.
Enlarge without holding the sword would do it. A Medium 2-handed weapon is a 1-handed weapon to a Large character. -4 on attack rolls for improperly sized weapons though.
Just alternate between using the klar with another weapon and using the earthbreaker.
This was my original (and only now) plan. Thanks for the advice everyone.
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Basically, I'm working on a character for PFS that eventually gets Thunder & Fang feat but I was interested in seeing how the stlye would work without the feat. Thanks again.
Keep in mind there is heated debate on this feat and how it works.
You absolutely will run into table variance. There will be tables that run the rules as written that require you to use the klar with the earthbreaker in the other hand. That you can't use a Large earthbreaker two handed and you can't use two earhtbreakers.
There are some that say that isn't RAW, but there isn't one true RAW since the whole idea of RAW is rules as written which always requires interpretation.
My advice: Don't play characters in PFS with table variance that effectively gimp your character when sitting at a table with an unfavorable interpretation of critical rules of your character. It isn't fun. I've done it with an Overrun druid.
Basically, I'm working on a character for PFS that eventually gets Thunder & Fang feat but I was interested in seeing how the stlye would work without the feat. Thanks again.Keep in mind there is heated debate on this feat and how it works.
You absolutely will run into table variance. There will be tables that run the rules as written that require you to use the klar with the earthbreaker in the other hand. That you can't use a Large earthbreaker two handed and you can't use two earhtbreakers.
There are some that say that isn't RAW, but there isn't one true RAW since the whole idea of RAW is rules as written which always requires interpretation.
My advice: Don't play characters in PFS with table variance that effectively gimp your character when sitting at a table with an unfavorable interpretation of critical rules of your character. It isn't fun. I've done it with an Overrun druid.
James, my intension is to play the character with the feat as written. He will use the klar with the earthbreaker in one hand. Not a larger earthbreaker or two of them. I think going against that not only goes against the RAW but also the spirit. The feat seems to be to allow a unique style for a shoanti to use two signature weapons of their culture together. So, unless some weird GM says that the feat doesn't allow a character to two-weapon fight with a klar and earthbreaker together I think I'll be fine.
The intention of asking this question was two see if I could use this combo from first level with some kind of penalty, until I could take the feat at 3rd level.
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The intention of asking this question was two see if I could use this combo from first level with some kind of penalty, until I could take the feat at 3rd level.
The Thunder and fang feat lets you do something you can't do without it.
Specifically using a Klar and an Earthbreaker in the same attack routine.
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The intention of asking this question was two see if I could use this combo from first level with some kind of penalty, until I could take the feat at 3rd level.The Thunder and fang feat lets you do something you can't do without it.
Specifically using a Klar and an Earthbreaker in the same attack routine.
A small Earthbreaker is the only non-feat, non-archetype way I can think of to do it.
That would be at the -2 penalty for using an inappropriately sized weapon, of course.Call it a "training earthbreaker", until you get the feat, then get a properly sized one and say you've graduated the training class. ;)