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The plane cannot be dispelled, but a creature on the plane can destroy it by using limited wish, mage's disjunction, miracle, or wish and making a successful dispel check.
I have some serious doubt on the ability of a single spell to affect a whole demiplane if it was made with multiple spells.
Mage disjuction for sure wouldn't cover all of it. It is a single 40' burst, so it would affect 4 or 5 casting of lesser create demiplane but it will not even cover all the volume of a single casting of the other versions of the spell.
What happen if the central section of a multi casting demiplane isn't maintained make very clear that the plane is made of separated sections.
You can travel to your created demiplanes with repeated castings of the spell.
From lesser create demiplane:
It looks like doing so may also extend the duration of a non-permanent demiplane as well.
I believe that this is the intent of the spell.
However, as Seebs and Kayerloth pointed out above, under RAW casting a create demiplane spell on the material plane creates a brand new demiplane, and does not permit travel to an existing demiplane. You can use any of the create demiplane spells to expand (or modify) an existing demiplane, but only while you are in said demiplane.
I'm pretty sure I'd allow this as a GM though.
I have a sorcerer in a campaign who when he reaches a high enough level plans to create his own demiplane. However, I am not going to assume this will work without going to my GM.
As I pointed out though, you can`t use plane shift either without a forked rod attuned to that demiplane. Where do you get one? How can you make one? Strictly speaking, you can`t. So plane shift won`t work without the GM hand-waving that requirement. False Focus, Blood Money, and Eschew Materials all allow you to ignore requirements for material components, but not for foci.Normally how do you know how to attune a rod? Research.
I think you are the maximum expert on the plane you have created, so yes, you can attune a rod to it.
Yes, but this is exactly what I mean by "GM hand-waving." No RAW mechanics are included in-game to represent it.
Normally you just buy the correct type of rod. In 3.5 there were listings about exactly what type of tuning fork you needed for each plane. Obviously Paizo cannot reprint that material though. Presumably a Knowledge:Planes check would allow you to know what fork works with what plane.
The plane cannot be dispelled, but a creature on the plane can destroy it by using limited wish, mage's disjunction, miracle, or wish and making a successful dispel check.I have some serious doubt on the ability of a single spell to affect a whole demiplane if it was made with multiple spells.
Mage disjuction for sure wouldn't cover all of it. It is a single 40' burst, so it would affect 4 or 5 casting of lesser create demiplane but it will not even cover all the volume of a single casting of the other versions of the spell.
What happen if the central section of a multi casting demiplane isn't maintained make very clear that the plane is made of separated sections.
For the record you can make your demiplane have the impeded magic trait towards abjuration, or towards spells that attempt to dispel it (through the modifications allowed by create demiplane, greater). That only forces a concentration check (DC 29 for disjunction) though so it might not be enough to protect it.
I myself am more worried about the ramifications of the plane being adjacent to the astral or ethereal plane. The fact that going to either of these planes allows you to then move to the demiplane means that your demiplane is somehow "adjacent" to the other plane, and thus astral or ethereal beings (whichever is appropriate) can move from that plane onto your demiplane.
The last thing I would want would be to come back to my demiplane only to find that it had been taken over by hundreds of Xill.
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The last thing I would want would be to come back to my demiplane only to find that it had been taken over by hundreds of Xill.
Man...you didn't live through 2e Planescape did you?
A repeated thing was xill, nathari, githyanki, or any of a host of other planar monsters deciding to claim jump on wizards' demiplanes. Some species made a point of raiding demiplanes, like plane jumping pirates or second story men.
The last thing I would want would be to come back to my demiplane only to find that it had been taken over by hundreds of Xill.Man...you didn't live through 2e Planescape did you?
A repeated thing was xill, nathari, githyanki, or any of a host of other planar monsters deciding to claim jump on wizards' demiplanes. Some species made a point of raiding demiplanes, like plane jumping pirates or second story men.
I never played planescape, but am well aware that there are lots of dangerous guys on the astral plane. I did play 1st ed., and remember the xill and githyanki from then.
As to the ethereal plane, I'm less familiar with those, but the ethereal plane is also co-existent with the material plane, so there is probably a fair bit of traffic there.
Putting your demiplane on the astral would be a little weird because if you cast astral projection to get there you would leave a body behind on the material plane, which is less than ideal.
It's an interesting question about ethereal beings going on to your demiplane from the ethereal. To other things on the ethereal plane they are solid, so I suspect that a being the enters the demiplane via the ethereal would be solid on the demiplane.
So what kind of "security" would you put on your demiplane? I think a teleport trap would definitely be in order. What else?
Peet
Another vote for where the demiplane spell was originally cast. It is and will remain the place with the closest ties to the demiplane.
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Sounds like a really good idea to make a real barrier around the perimeter of the Demiplane if this region of the Ethereal or Astral is more active than say western North Dakota.
I think that most of the Astral plane is less active than western North Dakota or the Gobi desert. It is a infinite plane with very few residents.
It is only in some specific location of interest that you have a good chance of meeting someone/something.On the other hand a permanent demiplane will stay there for a long time so, sooner or later, it will be discovered. Adding some or a lot of defenses to it isn't a bad idea.
I think that most of the Astral plane is less active than western North Dakota or the Gobi desert. It is a infinite plane with very few residents.
It is only in some specific location of interest that you have a good chance of meeting someone/something.
On the other hand a permanent demiplane will stay there for a long time so, sooner or later, it will be discovered. Adding some or a lot of defenses to it isn't a bad idea.
It's worth noting that generally the point on the Astral Plane that the demiplane will be located will normally be close to the interface point between the Astral and the Material Plane. I assume that the interface point is fairly broad, allowing for an Astral traveller to emerge on the Material where he wishes, but you will be close to the surface of an inhabited world so there will be more astral traffic in the area than in most of the Astral plane.
I think I recall way back in AD&D that you could use the ethereal plane to basically teleport on the material plane because your movement on that plane correlated to a vastly greater distance on the material plane. Does anybody know if things still work that way? Because if they do, I could just pop onto the ethereal plane before creating mine and get the effect I want by ejecting my buddies to the ethereal plane.
I don't see anything about that in the Gamemastery Guide. The Ethereal seems to have the same dimensions as the material plane, and there are no special rules I can see for movement.
It occurs to me that one trick would be to use the Ethereal as a starting point but use a location very, very far from the surface of a world. Ethereal travellers would normally stay near a world, I would think, though strictly speaking there is no impediment to them wandering off into space; it would just take a long time to get anywhere.
The only problem with that is that if you ejected creatures off your demiplane and they appeared in the Ethereal next to your demiplane, then your demiplane is probably the only place they can reach without teleportation. So unwanted visitors would keep coming back.
I suspect if this gets FAQ'd, they'll go with A. Otherwise you could cast the spell at an absurdly dangerous location and power-game it.
If you were able to lure someone onto the demiplane first then this would allow you to use it offensively. I think you are right in that regard though as I don't think ejecting someone from a demiplane is normally supposed to put the ejected person in danger.
C gives the caster far too much power (and let's face it, Conjuration Wizards are not lacking in power by this level).
I definitely agree here; if it could be used this way then create demiplane would obviate the need for a greater teleport spell.
