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I just got Inner Sea Gods, read up on Lamashtu, and put two and two together. It does not come right out and say it, but here are the facts.
-Lamashtu birthed/created the goblin race.
-Lamashtu slew the old beast god and took his Animal Domain. Since then, all beasts are hostile (wild) to civilized people.
-Dogs and Horses are mostly tame animals, and are beloved of sentient beings for their loyalty and helpfulness.
What if, long ago, the first horses and dogs defied Lamashtu as their new mistress/goddess? What if this betrayal provoked her wrath?
What if the Mother of Monsters specifically created Goblins to exact revenge on dogs and horses for abandoning her?
Sound crazy? Then it must be true, because it's Lamashtu...
Well thats neat.
-Lamashtu slew the old beast god and took his Animal Domain. Since then, all beasts are hostile (wild) to civilized people.
Whoa did they actually make a reason for random encounter animals to just attack adventurers?
The problem with this theory: Do goblins also hate house cats and farm animals, like chicken, cattle etc.?
As far as I know they don't care about those any more than any other animal (meaning they are in one or more of these categories for goblins: scary, food, useful or entertainment)
I don't think goblins really have a coherent reason for hating dogs and horses. And I like it that way.
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The problem with this theory: Do goblins also hate house cats and farm animals, like chicken, cattle etc.?
As far as I know they don't care about those any more than any other animal (meaning they are in one or more of these categories for goblins: scary, food, useful or entertainment)
I also thought about this, but house cats and other farm animals aren't quite the same. They don't form the same level bond with humans (or other humanoids) as quickly or easily.
There's a reason dogs are known as mans best friend, and horses aren't too far behind.You can tame other farm animals, but you work harder and resaults aren't as good. Cats, well, you never tame them.
Of course there are exceptions.
As for believing, this is a theory that fits, the rest is up to you.
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Goblin hate for dogs & horses is not so ancestral that most of you think.
In 3702 AR, the ruler of Taldor and his court were very fond of Fox Hunting to the point that foxes were about to disappear from this part of the world.
The Green Faith druids protested and ordered to the taldan nobility to stop this sport. First, they refused but after some accidental deaths in the woods (some treants were suspected but their alibi could never be broken), they negociated with the druids : they could keep on their sport but the only creture that they could hunt without threatening the natural balance was the goblin.
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The real question is why does not everyone hate dogs?
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I just got Inner Sea Gods, read up on Lamashtu, and put two and two together. It does not come right out and say it, but here are the facts.
-Lamashtu birthed/created the goblin race.
-Lamashtu slew the old beast god and took his Animal Domain. Since then, all beasts are hostile (wild) to civilized people.
-Dogs and Horses are mostly tame animals, and are beloved of sentient beings for their loyalty and helpfulness.What if, long ago, the first horses and dogs defied Lamashtu as their new mistress/goddess? What if this betrayal provoked her wrath?
What if the Mother of Monsters specifically created Goblins to exact revenge on dogs and horses for abandoning her?
Sound crazy? Then it must be true, because it's Lamashtu...
I think it's also plausible that goblins are angry because those are definitely not chocolate brownies that the dog left on their front doorstep as they originally thought.
PS: Your theory is actually really awesome. Please don't think I'm poking fun at it. ^_^
Goblin hate for dogs & horses is not so ancestral that most of you think.
In 3702 AR, the ruler of Taldor and his court were very fond of Fox Hunting to the point that foxes were about to disappear from this part of the world.
The Green Faith druids protested and ordered to the taldan nobility to stop this sport. First, they refused but after some accidental deaths in the woods (some treants were suspected but their alibi could never be broken), they negociated with the druids : they could keep on their sport but the only creture that they could hunt without threatening the natural balance was the goblin.
That, is actually pretty atrocious. I didn't know bioth the green faith and the Talan nobility were straight down evil.
That, is actually pretty atrocious. I didn't know bioth the green faith and the Talan nobility were straight down evil.Goblin hate for dogs & horses is not so ancestral that most of you think.
In 3702 AR, the ruler of Taldor and his court were very fond of Fox Hunting to the point that foxes were about to disappear from this part of the world.
The Green Faith druids protested and ordered to the taldan nobility to stop this sport. First, they refused but after some accidental deaths in the woods (some treants were suspected but their alibi could never be broken), they negociated with the druids : they could keep on their sport but the only creture that they could hunt without threatening the natural balance was the goblin.
This is DnD spin-off. Sometimes the only difference between "exemplar of good" and "straight down evil" is window dressing.
Like I said: Window dressing.
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according to goblins of golorion its because 1 as Ascalaphus said the dogs can find and kill them pretty easily, and horses can run them down pretty fast, and 2 one of the goblin hero gods is the patron of horse killing and dog murder. as for the reading thing apparently the goblins got tired of asmodeus tricking them all the time.
Well clearly Goblins hate dogs because Goblins are natural Stealth masters and Dogs get Scent.
That, is actually pretty atrocious. I didn't know bioth the green faith and the Talan nobility were straight down evil.
How much adventures of your 1st level PCs could be resumed in "Let's slay some goblins to gain loot & xp" ?? And how many times did you decide to solve the module by negociating with the goblins instead of slaughtering a complete tribe whose only crime was to steal 2 pigs ?
As MagusJanus said, this is D&D spin-off. For some parties, creatures appearing the a bestiary are nothing more than a good opportunity to have fun & gain XP.
I can rightfully say, none of my non-evil aligned characters ever attacked another living creature without that creature posing a clear threat to them or someone innocent. And in my times as GM I also have never had a point where the PCs acted differently. If I want a goblin camp to be a combat encounter I usually give a damn good reason. For example, the goblin actually terrorizing the surrounding area and murdering things.
But just going hunting for sapient creatures because some druids didn't like fox hunts (which in themselves are bad enough), because nobles get bored in my opinion is evil, even if those creatures actually are this terrible.
Or...we could all just go with my idea lol.
So, if Goblins hate dogs, why do Goblin dogs exist? their description specifically state that goblins are their masters, and there are minis of Goblins riding them?
I always read it that the Goblins were annoying pests that keep trying to hurt, maim and murder both simply because they can. So not respond in kind. I never felt it to be because of a divine issue at least in my campaigns.
nah - It's because dogs and horses are better at poetry than goblins which is how the grudge started at a drunken limerick contest many moons ago...