Improved Familiar and Small Elementals


Rules Questions

Lantern Lodge

Hi All,

Looking for a consensus on improved familiar...

The text of the feat says "Elemental, Small (any type)" does that stretch to Mud/Ice/Magma/Lightning or just the 4 oh-so-boring standard elements.

Personally I think it should be allowed. The small elementals (any of the eight) are still far below strength compared to other improved familiars, so not game breaking. Opening it out gives far more flavour (winter witch with ice familiar etc)

Related question - how about the same in PFS.

Cheers

DW


Yes and yes. Any "Small <Element> Elemental" made by Paizo is acceptable RAW, including in PFS.


Just a quick caveat to Ipslore's answer: you will still need the book or PDF in which your elemental appears. I'm sure you knew that, already, but it's still worth noting.

Lantern Lodge

Fab!

That's ace :-) cheers guys!!


It depends on the dm unfortunately some will say its only core.


By the rules it is allowed unless a GM houserules otherwise.


Can you pick something like a crysmal?

Shadow Lodge

I wouldn't think so, as Ipslore mentioned: Any "Small <Element> Elemental"
So this seems to be Air, Earth, Fire, Ice, Lightning, Magma, Mud and Water. Did I miss any others?

Sczarni

For PFS the answer is likely "no".

You can't summon Bestiary II elementals via spells, so the same logic regarding Familiars should apply.

But I do use the words "likely" and "should".


By RAW, the Improved Familiar feat should apply to more than just those types of elemental. Magmin are also small elementals. As are crysmals. Both would be allowed by the wording of the feat. (This is a problem of "Elemental" being a creature subtype, as well as being a specific type of elemental-subtype creatures. All elementals are elementals, but not all elementals are elementals.)

However, it is Paizos policy to not expand things like the summon spells with each new bestiary that comes out. The same should apply in this case as well, which would limit you to only the 4 typical elementals - fire, earth, water, and air.

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