. And i don't care who you steal it from. I suffer constant pain to earn my modest means and take nothing from anyone.
I tried that. That's how I got here. The level you spit on today may be the place you have to sleep tomorrow.
Suck it up, others have it worse and NO ONE is entitled to take from others.
Yes actually, I am. I had that workers comp insurance taken out of my check. That is a contract. It says the insurance company takes my money now and if i get hurt at work they pay to fix it. I had the social security taken out of my check, and the deal there is if you're too sick to work you get social security.
I went back to school. I took the advanced and basic courses in GIS at the same time and got another degree added to my cv to try to get a job I could actually do now. No one cares. All they see are the blank spots on my resume from when i was puking up all the colors of Christmas or waiting for the workers comp weasels to stop arguing that the log landed on my foot so they weren't liable for toe surgery, or that i didn't need a shot in my back because of .... reasons.
So, I am trying to get back into the work force. If the work force doesn't want me then they broke it, they bought it. That's a purchase, not a hand out.
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Problem with playing the victim game is that there is always someone worse off. Here, our social democrats are always harping on about how we need to care for those that have it bad. Earlier, it used to mean people who worked manual labour jobs, mostly in the industry. More recently, the people they were talking about were the unemployed from the industry when most of that left the country due to high salaries here, people who usually managed to get other jobs. But not once has it meant the truly sad stories, the mentally ill, the severely handicapped or such groups. I sincerely doubt any of them has even thought about it.
Here in america the calls of "we will save you" i think are more about buying votes than any true desire to fix underlying issues. particularly when it is so cheap to buy those votes with someone else's money
How would you feel about somewhat famous government-funded projects like how gender relates to various musical instruments?
I think a good portion of the liberal conspiracy here can attest I'm not exactly the biggest supporter of the humanities.
I think a good portion of the liberal conspiracy here can attest I'm not exactly the biggest supporter of the humanities.
How would you feel about somewhat famous government-funded projects like how gender relates to various musical instruments?
Well, that is stuff my tax money goes to. After all, they have so much of it, why not spend a fair portion of it to build opinion for stuff they want, hmmm? And honestly, if you guys started paying 50% taxes, do you have any reason to think your government would do things differently?
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After all, they have so much of it, why not spend a fair portion of it to build opinion for stuff they want, hmmm? And honestly, if you guys started paying 50% taxes, do you have any reason to think your government would do things differently?
we do pay 50% in taxes. The way your accounting works to get you to 70% (by including employer payments) we pay almost the same.
So if you pay the same as we do, why is "more money for government programs" a reason we have ONE SEVENTH of your homicide rate? :-)
So if you pay the same as we do, why is "more money for government programs" a reason we have ONE SEVENTH of your homicide rate? :-)
1) What percentage of your GDP goes into defense?
2) You don't have the puritanical need to try to make everyone as moral and upright as you are... that costs people money. Look at one of the goblins articles above: it was cheaper to buy the homeless people an apartment with no strings attached than to keep trying to treat them in the er
3) while rates for individuals aren't that different, the rates for corporations and profits from finance here are far, far lower resulting in less money per person even though people pay the same.
4) How much money do you spend locking up people for pot?
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As long as someone else is paying just like any commie
But, yes, I totally support giving away free apartments.
"In 2005, Utah figured out that the annual cost of E.R. visits and jail stays for homeless people was about $16,670 per person, compared to $11,000 to provide each homeless person with an apartment and a social worker. So, the state began giving away apartments, with no strings attached."
Other people are paying either way. Would you rather they pay more or less?
I thought that this article was rather interesting:
Mostly for its logic-warping which tries to show that using the state to alleviate poverty is actually some kind of realization of conservative values.
"Conservatives know that giving away handouts decreases incentives to work and that, generally, welfare is the enemy of freedom. As Lee Bright of South Carolina, who is challenging Lindsey Graham in the Palmetto State’s Republican primary this year, reminded us: welfare is 'legalized plunder.' He insisted: 'Liberty is just the right to keep what is yours. When you raise taxes and put that burden on people, you take away their freedom.'
"In choosing to give away housing to those who did not earn it by their labor, Utah may appear to be a bastion of 'legalized plunder' in which hard-working Utahns are victimized by a powerful state government believing that somebody else deserves what they have earned. But dig deeper and you find a pioneering effort that is, first of all, effective and, if viewed properly, honors the spirit and substance of conservatism."
So if you pay the same as we do, why is "more money for government programs" a reason we have ONE SEVENTH of your homicide rate? :-)1) What percentage of your GDP goes into defense?
2) You don't have the puritanical need to try to make everyone as moral and upright as you are... that costs people money. Look at one of the goblins articles above: it was cheaper to buy the homeless people an apartment with no strings attached than to keep trying to treat them in the er
3) while rates for individuals aren't that different, the rates for corporations and profits from finance here are far, far lower resulting in less money per person even though people pay the same.
4) How much money do you spend locking up people for pot?
1) 1.2%, about a third of your percentage.
2) No, we have the puritanical need to try to make everyone as moral and socialist as the people here are. That's what "building opinion" means here. C.f. gender and musical instruments.
3) Funny thing, we don't have any major industries left here. Make of that what you will.
4) Far less than you do. As I said, even if you get the money, you still have to make sure it gets spent on good things. You can't even prevent massive military spending and puritanical campaigns and locking people up for pot, as you say. Why would more money change any of that? If you got your wish and more taxes, you would be able to afford more military spending, more puritanism, and more pot prisons.
As long as someone else is paying just like any commie
But, yes, I totally support giving away free apartments.
"In 2005, Utah figured out that the annual cost of E.R. visits and jail stays for homeless people was about $16,670 per person, compared to $11,000 to provide each homeless person with an apartment and a social worker. So, the state began giving away apartments, with no strings attached."
Interestingly, The American Conservative cites much more drastic numbers:
"When Utah officials added up the amount going into medical treatment and law enforcement, the cost to the state per homeless individual was more than $216,300 a year in 2007 dollars, according to Housing Works. The cost of housing, rent assistance, and full-time case management, meanwhile, was just $19,500."
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I suffer constant pain to earn my modest means and take nothing from anyone.
You use no public roads? And don't use a phone or internet? You have no police in your alternative reality? No fire department? No public schools? Do you live in a state that benefits from mining subsidies? Farm subsidies? No one checks on food or drug safety in your universe, or checks the water to make sure it's drinkable?
You really have no idea how much tax dollars do? Unless you live on an unsettled continent (Antarctica is the only one left) and use no public services, you are taking from others.
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These great low crime rate nations tend to be small and homogeneous. Almost all the same ethnic group, religion, a shared culture. similar economic standing. We very widely, and clash often
You've never been to Malmö, for example (to pick a large city in Sweden), have you?
41% have a foreign background. The Middle East, East Africa, Ex-Yugoslavia and Denmark are the main sources of migration.
Is 59% of a quarter-million "small and homogenous"?
Problem with playing the victim game is that there is always someone worse off. Here, our social democrats are always harping on about how we need to care for those that have it bad. Earlier, it used to mean people who worked manual labour jobs, mostly in the industry. More recently, the people they were talking about were the unemployed from the industry when most of that left the country due to high salaries here, people who usually managed to get other jobs. But not once has it meant the truly sad stories, the mentally ill, the severely handicapped or such groups. I sincerely doubt any of them has even thought about it.
I'm unemployed, probably one of the mentally ill, and the doctors I've visited have talked about considering me disabled if they can ever pin down the cause of my mental problems.
I can honestly say I think about those things all of the time.
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There's a pretty bad stigma to mental illness in this country. Honestly a lot of problems in society could be alleviated if we removed that stigma and started to take mental health issues more seriously.
Several years ago my state passed a 'temporary' income tax increase. The idea was to use the extra money to pay down the debt it owes. Guess what in 2012 the state owed $271,111,148,000 now it is over $321,000,000,000. So guess what, they want to make the 'temporary' income tax increase into a permanent income tax increase. Fortunately most of the Legislature realizes that their chance of being re-elected is nil if they vote to make it permanent.
Malmö is about half a million, maybe up to 700.000 or so.
A Lot of conservative folks here...or at least those that share a US conservative idealogy.
Of interest, what is liberal today, may be conservative tomorrow. Conservative doesn't necessarily equate being against the state helping others...it's just a current stance in the US of some conservative parties.
The things conservative and liberal agendas support change over time (as do which parties are conservative or liberal, for example, in Lincolns time one may say the Repbulican party was downright liberal).
That said, I find it laughable someone is using Utah as a prime example of how to treat the homeless.
I know several cities where we tried to get homeless shelters built on a humanitarian drive...and were flat out told it wasn't happening.
Oh, they'd give two or three a voucher for a place to stay...and arrest the rest (and maybe even give them a ride to the borders of the town so they could get arrested in the next town and have the same thing happen).
SLC can be decent at times...but still, very hostile in some ways (at least moreso then any other place I've ever seen with how they treat the homeless...excepting some ME locales and other places).
Utah probably would be the LAST place I'd point out as a shining example of how to treat the homeless.
It shares the conservative Republican (as in far right) viewpoint on a lot of subjects (which is also ironic as many of it's policies regarding it's laws are actually very liberal minded in it's approach...perhaps one of the more liberal leaning states I've seen in regards to some things like taxes, land use, and other items).
It's also ironic that it's the capital of one of the major American Religions (as in a religion that has it's roots in the US as opposed to another continent) and strong "Christian" base, but treats it's poor, it's homeless, and it's beggars and less well off worse than many other states that they would view as far less "enlightened."
I like Utah, seriously...but I'd hate to try to be there and in need...IF (that's an IF) you got help in that situation it would probably take longer to get it than many other states. In other areas...they are a great place however, just not one that is especially appealing if you are homeless.
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I suffer constant pain to earn my modest means and take nothing from anyone.You use no public roads? And don't use a phone or internet? You have no police in your alternative reality? No fire department? No public schools? Do you live in a state that benefits from mining subsidies? Farm subsidies? No one checks on food or drug safety in your universe, or checks the water to make sure it's drinkable?
You really have no idea how much tax dollars do? Unless you live on an unsettled continent (Antarctica is the only one left) and use no public services, you are taking from others.
That kind of infrastructure is the proper use of taxes, we have had this discussion. Redistribution of wealth and "leveling the field" are not. Business subsides need to go away largely. The safety of food and water in america is becoming a joke.
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These great low crime rate nations tend to be small and homogeneous. Almost all the same ethnic group, religion, a shared culture. similar economic standing. We very widely, and clash oftenYou've never been to Malmö, for example (to pick a large city in Sweden), have you?
41% have a foreign background. The Middle East, East Africa, Ex-Yugoslavia and Denmark are the main sources of migration.Is 59% of a quarter-million "small and homogenous"?
Now compare that to america. The nation to nation, not a "pick a city" to evade the point. What is the overall population and at what mix
The safety of food and water in america is becoming a joke.
Do you have a real citation for that, or just disparate news reports of people getting sick from food?
Malmö is about half a million, maybe up to 700.000 or so.
For the metro area, I believe you are correct. The quarter-million/300K would be for the city proper.
BNW: How much would you be willing to pay in taxes, in percent of your income, assuming you do not get any more of it back through handouts than you do today, as an absolute top limit for your generosity? At what point would you say that enough is enough?But that is the game, most that play his lines pay little to nothing, they want others to pay. Often for themselves
Taxes aren't theft. Stop implying that they are. They're an agreed upon mechanism for which we pay for the things that have been agreed upon.
You're free to opt out of society at any time in several different ways, but if you want to stay here and participate, taxes are one of the rules.
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BNW: How much would you be willing to pay in taxes, in percent of your income, assuming you do not get any more of it back through handouts than you do today, as an absolute top limit for your generosity? At what point would you say that enough is enough?But that is the game, most that play his lines pay little to nothing, they want others to pay. Often for themselvesTaxes aren't theft. Stop implying that they are. They're an agreed upon mechanism for which we pay for the things that have been agreed upon.
You're free to opt out of society at any time in several different ways, but if you want to stay here and participate, taxes are one of the rules.
You really can't opt out of society: there's no where else left to go. I think that puts a large responsibility on government to use the funds it takes responsibly.
Now compare that to america. The nation to nation, not a "pick a city" to evade the point. What is the overall population and at what mix
You're right -- we should look at apples to apples. So we take the United States of America (300M+ population, 50 member states plus territories) and compare it to the European Union (500M+ population, 28 member states). Now look at the history of animosity of those member states: France vs. Germany is a classic favorite, but you're also looking at southwestern Europe vs. northern Europe vs. the UK vs. the Balkans vs. former SSRs like Lithuania; Western Europeans vs. slavs vs. Roma vs. Middle Eastern immigrants; etc. Massive economic differences.
United States intentional murder rate (2012) = 4.8
Europe intentional murder rate (2012) = 3.0
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Now compare that to america. The nation to nation, not a "pick a city" to evade the point. What is the overall population and at what mixYou're right -- we should look at apples to apples. So we take the United States of America (300M+ population, 50 member states plus territories) and compare it to the European Union (500M+ population, 28 member states). Now look at the history of animosity of those member states: France vs. Germany is a classic favorite, but you're also looking at southwestern Europe vs. northern Europe vs. the UK vs. the Balkans vs. former SSRs like Lithuania; Western Europeans vs. slavs vs. Roma vs. Middle Eastern immigrants; etc. Massive economic differences.
United States intentional murder rate (2012) = 4.8
Europe intentional murder rate (2012) = 3.0
That is closer to accurate but the USA is still ONE nation. the EU is not
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BNW: How much would you be willing to pay in taxes, in percent of your income, assuming you do not get any more of it back through handouts than you do today, as an absolute top limit for your generosity? At what point would you say that enough is enough?But that is the game, most that play his lines pay little to nothing, they want others to pay. Often for themselvesTaxes aren't theft. Stop implying that they are. They're an agreed upon mechanism for which we pay for the things that have been agreed upon.
You're free to opt out of society at any time in several different ways, but if you want to stay here and participate, taxes are one of the rules.
I don't know where your head is jammed if you think much of the tax situation is agreed upon. They are as agreed upon as king george's taxes were to the colonies in so many ways. We are just given the illusion of representation. You claim taxes are an agreed upon part of human society, but history often shows the evil they can become
That is closer to accurate but the USA is still ONE nation. the EU is not
I'd say there's a hell of a lot more difference, distance-wise and culturally, between NY and TX than there is between, say, Germany and Bulgaria. (Picking only places I've lived in, or, in the case of Bulgaria, visited and liked very much.)
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You really can't opt out of society: there's no where else left to go. I think that puts a large responsibility on government to use the funds it takes responsibly.BNW: How much would you be willing to pay in taxes, in percent of your income, assuming you do not get any more of it back through handouts than you do today, as an absolute top limit for your generosity? At what point would you say that enough is enough?But that is the game, most that play his lines pay little to nothing, they want others to pay. Often for themselvesTaxes aren't theft. Stop implying that they are. They're an agreed upon mechanism for which we pay for the things that have been agreed upon.
You're free to opt out of society at any time in several different ways, but if you want to stay here and participate, taxes are one of the rules.
We agree there, just not on what IS responsible.
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That is closer to accurate but the USA is still ONE nation. the EU is notI'd say there's a hell of a lot more difference, distance-wise and culturally, between NY and TX than there is between, say, Germany and Bulgaria. (Picking only places I've lived in, or, in the case of Bulgaria, visited and wouldn't have minded living in.)
THAT is my point. we are a odd mix of vastly different people in one nation and that helps lead to our friction with our own people
That is closer to accurate but the USA is still ONE nation. the EU is notI'd say there's a hell of a lot more difference, distance-wise and culturally, between NY and TX than there is between, say, Germany and Bulgaria. (Picking only places I've lived in, or, in the case of Bulgaria, visited and liked very much.)
That's why universal solutions that work for most nations are epic failures for the U.S.; the U.S. doesn't have the unified culture necessary to pull them off.
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That's why universal solutions that work for most nations are epic failures for the U.S.; the U.S. doesn't have the unified culture necessary to pull them off.That is closer to accurate but the USA is still ONE nation. the EU is notI'd say there's a hell of a lot more difference, distance-wise and culturally, between NY and TX than there is between, say, Germany and Bulgaria. (Picking only places I've lived in, or, in the case of Bulgaria, visited and liked very much.)Our "epic failures" tend to be in passing the solutions, not in actually having them fail.
Which of our universal solutions have been epic failures?
The welfare state that is growing dependence on gov (the tax payers) and is in many areas a lifestyle choice as opposed to the simple safety net it was meant to be. Like obamacare, it gives some the choice to work or not and that is a massive failure of socialism/communism when the takers start to outnumber the givers
More than guns i think it is the individualism. These great low crime rate nations tend to be small and homogeneous. Almost all the same ethnic group, religion, a shared culture. similar economic standing. We very widely, and clash often
We still have crime. We still have homeless. We still have poverty.
Dichotomous thinking is disingenuous thinking.
Your murder rate is 0.7
The US's murder rate is 4.8
We have almost SEVEN times the homicide rate.
Thank you for showing what the government programs can actually do.
You guys let people run around with firearms. What did you expect? Swedes have more firearms per capita, but those are almost exclusively hunting rifles.
No, my point is that we pay twice what you would be uncomfortable with. There is a serious cost for that... But the stuff you want everyone to pay more to solve... Are still here. Our schools are actually not that good. Thing is... Many people believe throwing government money at something is the way to solve everything. If it were, Sweden wouldn't have any of those problems.
How did I know you were going to go in this direction?
That's why universal solutions that work for most nations are epic failures for the U.S.; the U.S. doesn't have the unified culture necessary to pull them off.That is closer to accurate but the USA is still ONE nation. the EU is notI'd say there's a hell of a lot more difference, distance-wise and culturally, between NY and TX than there is between, say, Germany and Bulgaria. (Picking only places I've lived in, or, in the case of Bulgaria, visited and liked very much.)Our "epic failures" tend to be in passing the solutions, not in actually having them fail.
Which of our universal solutions have been epic failures?
Passing the solutions, for the most part.
Education system is also kinda shaping up that way, but is far from that standpoint. The current medical care law is one definitely in that slot... especially given it started out as a universal healthcare law and the mess we have now was created by Congress.
Now compare that to america. The nation to nation, not a "pick a city" to evade the point. What is the overall population and at what mixYou're right -- we should look at apples to apples. So we take the United States of America (300M+ population, 50 member states plus territories) and compare it to the European Union (500M+ population, 28 member states). Now look at the history of animosity of those member states: France vs. Germany is a classic favorite, but you're also looking at southwestern Europe vs. northern Europe vs. the UK vs. the Balkans vs. former SSRs like Lithuania; Western Europeans vs. slavs vs. Roma vs. Middle Eastern immigrants; etc. Massive economic differences.
United States intentional murder rate (2012) = 4.8
Europe intentional murder rate (2012) = 3.0
That's actually pretty shocking. I had no idea Europe's and the US's rates were actually that close.
Now I wonder what Japan's and Asia's rates are comparatively.
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I don't know where your head is jammed if you think much of the tax situation is agreed upon.
Reality. Its a nice place to visit but you don't want to live there.
They are as agreed upon as king george's taxes were to the colonies in so many ways.
The same canard generally.
England: Well that war to defend the colonies was expensive, how about you lot pony up some of the bill.
Colonies: No internal taxes! No stamp act!
England: So you're saying no internal taxes. Fiiiine. *repeals* Uses an external import tax.
Colonis: None of that either!
England: So you're saying no taxation without representation?
Colonies: Right.
England: Ok, here's a few seats in parliment.
Colonies: NO!
England: .... you really just mean no taxation at all don't you?
Colonies: Of course not! That would be silly. We just want no internal tax and no external taxes.
Colonies: Win. Turn around and have to run a government. "Holy BLEEP this having a government thing is freaking expensive!! Quick, we need an import tax and an alchohol tax and a...."
We are just given the illusion of representation. You claim taxes are an agreed upon part of human society, but history often shows the evil they can become
The second part of that statement does not prove the first part false.
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We agree there, just not on what IS responsible.
What you consider responsible is, point blank, impossible. You expect a country of 300 million people to govern perfectly without a dime wasted. You want a functioning bureaucracy to be established with the superhuman ability to separate those who deserve it from those who don't, all according to your criteria.
Its impossible. You would spend more tracking these people than you would cutting them a check. You want to be against fraud and against waste and against abuse: that position is utter kumbaya hippy skippy fantasy dross. No one is FOR waste and abuse. Insisting that the system either be done perfectly or not exist at all is no, nadda, zilch, zero, NO different than saying it should not exist at all.
I'm going to disagree here. The fact that person A does not have any of those does NOT entitle him to take them from person B.So how much does a poor person need to steal before you think they deserve punishment?After they've got food shelter and any pressing medical needs covered.
So if someone swipes your car to get their pregnant wife to the hospital or because they have an artery bleeding out you're going to press charges?
Particularly since, in this example, you'd be swiping it from a multicar driveway.
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The main difference between Sweden and the United States is the staggering inequality between the top and low ends of society. The United States is currently in it's greatest extreme of inequality since the Gilded Age.And nothing but high taxes and socialism could possibly be the cause.......
We still have crime. We still have homeless. We still have poverty.
Dichotomous thinking is disingenuous thinking.
Your murder rate is 0.7
The US's murder rate is 4.8
We have almost SEVEN times the homicide rate.
Thank you for showing what the government programs can actually do.
So some people having "too much" drives the lower class to rape and murder?
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I'm going to disagree here. The fact that person A does not have any of those does NOT entitle him to take them from person B.So how much does a poor person need to steal before you think they deserve punishment?After they've got food shelter and any pressing medical needs covered.So if someone swipes your car to get their pregnant wife to the hospital or because they have an artery bleeding out you're going to press charges?
Particularly since, in this example, you'd be swiping it from a multicar driveway.
Yes. if they asked i would drive them myself. If a starving man comes to my door and demonstrates how only me feeding him will let him go on i will make him a sandwich, if he breaks in he gets shot.
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We agree there, just not on what IS responsible.What you consider responsible is, point blank, impossible. You expect a country of 300 million people to govern perfectly without a dime wasted. You want a functioning bureaucracy to be established with the superhuman ability to separate those who deserve it from those who don't, all according to your criteria.
Its impossible. You would spend more tracking these people than you would cutting them a check. You want to be against fraud and against waste and against abuse: that position is utter kumbaya hippy skippy fantasy dross. No one is FOR waste and abuse. Insisting that the system either be done perfectly or not exist at all is no, nadda, zilch, zero, NO different than saying it should not exist at all.
Minimized waste, minimized and punished abuse. You are VERY wrong about people not wanting both. Bureaucrats want waste to pocket and many lazy bastards want easy abuse. people like that taxpayer money coming to them
Minimized waste
HOW? What solution are you proposing that hasn't been tried? This is like saying to minimize friction ... ok. HOW?
You are VERY wrong about people not wanting both.
If you don't get both you don't want it done at all.
You have NO idea how to get both.
So don't do it.
Bureaucrats want waste to pocket
Efficiency to pocket is even better.
and many lazy bastards want easy abuse.
Yes. People that quit while they can still walk. Lazy bastards....
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THAT is my point. we are a odd mix of vastly different people in one nation and that helps lead to our friction with our own people
That's why universal solutions that work for most nations are epic failures for the U.S.; the U.S. doesn't have the unified culture necessary to pull them off.
If you guys honestly think the entire EU is a "unified culture," you need to turn off Fox News for a minute and book a freaking flight. Seriously, this is ignorant to the point of absurdity. In the EU, we're looking at states that fought each other every bit as nastily as the north and south did in the Civil War, but within living memory, and with centuries of animosity before that. And they generally speak different languages and have different religions and radically different customs.
But they manage to get along now, as partners, and have a murder rate a lot lower than ours.
I suspect we could learn from them.
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THAT is my point. we are a odd mix of vastly different people in one nation and that helps lead to our friction with our own peopleThat's why universal solutions that work for most nations are epic failures for the U.S.; the U.S. doesn't have the unified culture necessary to pull them off.If you guys honestly think the entire EU is a "unified culture," you need to turn off Fox News for a minute and book a freaking flight. Seriously, this is ignorant to the point of absurdity. In the EU, we're looking at states that fought each other every bit as nastily as the north and south did in the Civil War, but within living memory, and with centuries of animosity before that. And they generally speak different languages and have different religions and radically different customs.
But they manage to get along now, as partners, and have a murder rate a lot lower than ours.
I suspect we could learn from them.
They are EU, not one unified nation. Force them into a single nation and see where it goes. They each have an internal history and culture america has a very young shared culture and was born in ethnic strife.
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Minimized wasteHOW? What solution are you proposing that hasn't been tried? This is like saying to minimize friction ... ok. HOW?
You are VERY wrong about people not wanting both.If you don't get both you don't want it done at all.
You have NO idea how to get both.
So don't do it.
Bureaucrats want waste to pocketEfficiency to pocket is even better.
and many lazy bastards want easy abuse.Yes. People that quit while they can still walk. Lazy bastards....
Steps can be taken, much like your friction example just needs lube.
Yes, can work but refuse so you can take from others is lazy
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Yes, can work but refuse so you can take from others is lazy
Either your comprehension of what was said has been so consistently divergent from what was actually said as to be having a wholly different conversation or your idea of morals is a sociopathic devotion to Ayne Rand. Either way there's nothing more to be gained here.
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So guess what, they want to make the 'temporary' income tax increase into a permanent income tax increase. Fortunately most of the Legislature realizes that their chance of being re-elected is nil if they vote to make it permanent.
Bet you a dollar that it stays a "temporary" tax increase for the rest of our lives.