Cthulhudrew |
Using the archetype list given by Jason Bulmahn and comparing it with the Class previews, we know the following:
Archetypes by Class
Bloodrager
Bloodrider, Rageshaper, Untouchable Rager
Investigator
Mastermind, Sleuth, Spiritualist
Swashbuckler
Flying Blade, Mysterious Avenger, Picaroon
Warpriest
Divine Commander
Only 94 left unidentified! :D
Suma3da |
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Géraud Soulié released some of the artwork he was commissioned to do for the ACG.
From that we also know that:
Animist=Shaman
Blade Adept=Arcanist
Counterfit Mage=Rogue
Ecclesithurge=Cleric
Grave Warden=Slayer
Hex Healer=Witch{?}
Primal Hunter=Hunter
Spellstorm=Bloodrager(?)
Cthulhudrew |
Thanks for that! I'd forgotten about that artwork. I'm curious about that Spellstorm, though. The artwork from today's blog entry is captioned as Spellstorm, but there wasn't one on the list that Jason Bulmahn released.
Maybe it changed its name, or he forgot to include it. I'll put it up there, though! :D
(D'oh! Just remembered there's a window for editing, so I can't consolidate in one post. Noticed that the Hex Healer wasn't on Jason's list, either.)
Rawrsong |
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Well how about we put in the entire list somewhere and just guestimate for now based on the names what could be what.
To avoid breaking up the blog post too much, I saved one spoiler for the comments section. Since you all have been so patient with us and so supportive in our quest to bring home The Gauntlet, here is the complete list of archetypes that will be making an appearance in the Advanced Class Guide, due out this August. Of course, I am not going to tell you which class they belong too. I will let you speculate on that! :)
Animist,blade adept, blood arcanist, blood conduit,bloodrider, bolt ace, bounty hunter, brown-fur transmuter, champion of the faith, cleaner,counterfeit mage, crossblooded rager, cult leader, cutthroat, daring champion, daring infiltrator, deliverer, disenchanter,divine commander,divine hunter, divine tracker,ecclesitheurge, eldritch font, eldritch scion, eldritch scrapper, elemental master, empiricist, exemplar, exploiter wizard, fated champion, feral hunter, feral shifter, flame dancer,flying blade, forgepriest,grave warden, greenrager, herald of the horn, hex channeler, holy guide, hooded champion, infiltrator, inspired blade, kata master, martial master,mastermind, metamagic rager, mongrel mage, mountain witch, mouser, musketeer, mutagenic mauler, mutation warrior,mysterious avenger, naturalist, nature fang, occultist, packmaster,picaroon,possessed shaman, primal companion hunter, primalist, psychic searcher,rageshaper, sacred fist, sacred huntsmaster, sanctified slayer, school savant, shield champion,sleuth, snakebite striker, sniper, speaker for the past, spell sage, spell specialist, spell warrior, spelleater, spirit guide, spirit summoner, spirit warden, spirit whisperer,spiritualist, steel hound, steel-breaker, steelblood, strangler, stygian slayer, temple champion, totemic skald, underground chemist, unlettered arcanist, unsworn shaman,untouchable rager, vanguard, verminous hunter, visionary, voice of the wild, warsighted, white mage, wild child, wild hunter, wild whisperer, wildcat, and witch doctor.Thanks again for supporting Paizo. We look forward to...
Major_Blackhart |
Guesstime!
Ok, I think we can call the following Archetypes as part of the following classes. Maybe.
Slayer:
Bounty Hunter, Sanctified Slayer, Stygian Slayer (A bit of Conan mixed in for our pleasure, nice), Sniper, Verminous Hunter, Bolt Ace
Skald:
Totemic Skald, Vanguard (?), Fated Champion (?), White Mage
Warpriest:
Temple Champion, Forgepriest, Holy Guide, Shield Champion, Cult Leader (?), Vanguard (?), Warsighted, Exemplar, Fated Champion (?), Champion of the Faith, Steel-Breker (?), Warsighted,
Shaman:
Cult Leader (?), Witch Doctor, Unsworn Shaman, Hex Channeler, Mountain Witch, Possessed Shaman,
Brawler:
Martial Master, Eldritch Scrapper (?), Sacred Fist, Strangler,
Bloodrager:
Blood Conduit, Crossblooded Rager, Eldritch Scion, Eldritch Scrapper (?), Greenrager, Metamagic Rager, Mutation Warrior (?), Primalist (?), Spell Warrior, Spelleater, Steelblood
Arcanist:
Eldritch Font, Exploiter Wizard, Mongrel Mage, Primalist (?), School Savant, Unlettered Arcanast, Visisonary
Investigator:
Mutagenic Mauler, Mutation Warrior (?), Occultist,
Hunter:
Packmaster, Primal Companion Hunter, Sacred Huntmaster, Divine Tracker, Snakebite Striker, Voice of the Wild, Wild Hunter
Anyone else? Do we know how many archetypes are to each class?
Alexander Augunas Contributor |
I'm going to guess that Occultist is going to be either a Wizard archetype or an Arcanist archetype.
Also, since the investigator doesn't get mutagen as a standard class feature, I'm assuming that mutagenic mauler is going to be an alchemist archetype that somehow replaces a bloodrager's arcane aspects with alchemy.
brad2411 |
We can add to the Arcanist list now:
Arcanist
Blade Adept
Brown-Fur Transmuter
Eldritch Font
Elemental Master
Occultist
School Savant*
Spell Specialist*
Unlettered Arcanist*
White Mage(* revealed at Paizocon)
Damn now I am going to have to remake my character from WOTR. He specialized in Magic Missile. Arcanist Spell Specialist.
Wolfgang Rolf |
I have feeling to that Slayer will get Bounty Hunter Arch type with hopes some small spells thrown in from ranger spell list.
It was actually confirmed in the Slayer Preview that the Bounty Hunter is one of its archetypes.
Quote from the blog: The bounty hunter is your Boba Fett, bringing back criminals and debtors alive with combat maneuvers and an incapacitating death attack.
Major_Blackhart |
Hmmm, I wonder if they will replace sneak attack with bonuses to combat maneuvers and additional damage with them.
I'd also love to finally see an archetype that allows for heavy armor and keeping the combat style feats.
I know it's not the style, but Bounty Hunters can take all sorts, not just lightly armored fellows but big guys that just wade into it.
9mm |
I have only 1 wish. the snakebite striker is a brawler archtype and it lets me make one of these
Dennis Baker RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16, Contributor |
Does anyone know if anything from Occult Mysteries ended up in the book?
They were likely in development at the same time, so probably not. Crossover stuff between the lines is rare (even though authors can reuse material, most people want new stuff rather than reprinted material).
Tork Shaw Goblinworks Game Designer |
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Géraud Soulié released some of the artwork he was commissioned to do for the ACG.
From that we also know that:
Animist=Shaman
Blade Adept=Arcanist
Counterfit Mage=Rogue
Ecclesithurge=Cleric
Grave Warden=Slayer
Hex Healer=Witch{?}
Primal Hunter=Hunter
Spellstorm=Bloodrager(?)
These are unreal. Absolutely incredible.
Dennis Baker RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16, Contributor |
Tork Shaw Goblinworks Game Designer |
Dennis Baker RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16, Contributor |
Necromancer |
Blackvial wrote:is there anything for the Anti-Paladin, Magus, Ninja, Gunslinger, or Samurai?I doubt this book has much for anti-paladin, but you should check out Inner Sea Combat, there are at least a couple anti-paladin archetypes in that book.
Maybe in the upcoming Monster Codex? I imagine drow or ghouls could qualify.
Dennis Baker RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16, Contributor |
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Dennis Baker wrote:Maybe in the upcoming Monster Codex? I imagine drow or ghouls could qualify.Blackvial wrote:is there anything for the Anti-Paladin, Magus, Ninja, Gunslinger, or Samurai?I doubt this book has much for anti-paladin, but you should check out Inner Sea Combat, there are at least a couple anti-paladin archetypes in that book.
There's bound to be at least one in there somewhere, but that would be a fully built NPC.
Jim Groves Contributor, RPG Superstar 2010 Top 4 |
Cthulhudrew |
So, how many archetypes do we have left to go through?
By my count, there are 65 that have not definitively been assigned from the original list. There may be more or less- a couple of the archetypes that have shown up weren't on that original list (and a couple of the pictures have names that weren't on the list- Spellstorm comes to mind- and they are likely archetypes).
So, still a lot.
Ross Byers RPG Superstar 2008 Top 32 |
There may be more or less- a couple of the archetypes that have shown up weren't on that original list (and a couple of the pictures have names that weren't on the list- Spellstorm comes to mind- and they are likely archetypes).
So, still a lot.
What has shown up that we know is an archetype, but isn't on Jason's list? Label on art could be misleading: they could be from spells, feats, alternate class features that are not archetypes (like bloodlines), they could have changed names after the art was commissioned, etc.
Ross Byers RPG Superstar 2008 Top 32 |
Dennis Baker RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16, Contributor |
What has shown up that we know is an archetype, but isn't on Jason's list? Label on art could be misleading: they could be from spells, feats, alternate class features that are not archetypes (like bloodlines), they could have changed names after the art was commissioned, etc.
I think he's referring to the fact that Jason posted a list of archetypes but aren't associated with specific classes.
Ross Byers RPG Superstar 2008 Top 32 |
Cthulhudrew |
What has shown up that we know is an archetype, but isn't on Jason's list? Label on art could be misleading: they could be from spells, feats, alternate class features that are not archetypes (like bloodlines), they could have changed names after the art was commissioned, etc.
Hm- looks like I made a mistake. I thought Grave Warden wasn't on the list, but that's because I'd already deleted it from the list and put it under the Slayer heading on my document (the name was released early with one of those artwork leaks).
So I think it's just the Spellstorm and Hex Healer that aren't on that list, but look like they are probably archetypes based on the artwork.
Cthulhudrew |
Thanks to Tels who posted a link to a 2 page preview of the ACG we now know the following:
Ranger
Divine Tracker
Hooded Champion
Wild Hunter
Rogue
Counterfeit Mage (already known)
Underground Chemist
Ross Byers RPG Superstar 2008 Top 32 |
Cthulhudrew |
Ranger ones are simple, but useful: dipping into the Warpriest, Swashbuckler, or Hunter's bag of tricks.
I think that's what we'll probably see with most of the Base/APG/UM/UC classes- giving them the ability to use some of the new classes' abilities. Which is kind of cool.
I'm really interested in seeing more detail on the archetypes of the new classes themselves, though. :D