Spellbook


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Scarab Sages

Oddly enough, this is the first time this has come up for me. Whenever, I've been a spellbook caster, I've been the only one in the party.

My PC can only cast 2nd level arcane spells currently.
Fellow in the party has a few 3rd level spells in his spell book.

Can I scribe those in my spellbook?

Next, (this is PFS specific) is there a limit to the number of spells we can exchange during a PFS scenario?


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A wizard can also add a spell to his book whenever he encounters one on a magic scroll or in another wizard's spellbook. No matter what the spell's source, the wizard must first decipher the magical writing (see Arcane Magical Writings). Next, he must spend 1 hour studying the spell. At the end of the hour, he must make a Spellcraft check (DC 15 + spell's level). A wizard who has specialized in a school of spells gains a +2 bonus on the Spellcraft check if the new spell is from his specialty.

Nothing in here about having to be able to cast the spell.

So you could scribe it into your spellbook, but you wouldn't be able to cast it until you reach level 5 wizard.


As henk said, I couldn't find anything to suggest you need to be of any particular level to scribe spells into your spellbook -- outside of the 2 gained at level up with must explicitly be of levels you can cast.

Keep in mind you will have to roll spellcraft, although you can presumably take 10 which makes the process pretty much a given.

Can't help you with the second question.

Scarab Sages

Jorin wrote:
Next, (this is PFS specific) is there a limit to the number of spells we can exchange during a PFS scenario?

No.

Scarab Sages

Thanks folks. That's what I thought, just making sure.

The Exchange Owner - D20 Hobbies

Pay the scribing costs and you can exchange as many as you like.

Grand Lodge

Artanthos wrote:
Jorin wrote:
Next, (this is PFS specific) is there a limit to the number of spells we can exchange during a PFS scenario?
No.

Actually, as implied by James, the only limit is your funding/special inks and quills/pens.

And, yes, in PFS you should be able to take 10 on the Spellcraft check, and since you are scribing from another PC, only have to make the 15 plus spell level DC to scribe the spell, not the DC 20 plus spell level check to understand it.


James Risner wrote:
Pay the scribing costs and you can exchange as many as you like.

Also time constraints, remember it takes 1 hour/level of the spell to write it in your book, and you only get 8 hours in a work day.

Cypher Script is an amazing feat when this rule is enforced.

Grand Lodge

master_marshmallow wrote:
James Risner wrote:
Pay the scribing costs and you can exchange as many as you like.

Also time constraints, remember it takes 1 hour/level of the spell to write it in your book, and you only get 8 hours in a work day.

Cypher Script is an amazing feat when this rule is enforced.

It was a PFS question, and the time between adventures is undefined, so that the time constraints do not resally apply in PFS, except if you are doing the scribing while travelling to your destination, with days spent on the move...

Some scenarios or modules would support this, more probably won't, but they all support scribing after you complete the adventure.


Also if you plan to swap spells to help each other...keep in mind each spell takes up its own spell level in pages in your spell book (most books have 100 pages by default)


Related question: Do you have to be a wizard to scribe spells in a spellbook? I'm looking to abuse Mnemonic Vestments.


I think you do have to be a wizard, but you can buy a spellbook from a wizard or have a wizard make a spellbook for you.

Scarab Sages

Dolanar wrote:
Also if you plan to swap spells to help each other...keep in mind each spell takes up its own spell level in pages in your spell book (most books have 100 pages by default)

I had actually forgotten that. I'm just a 5th level magus. So, no where near full. But I will need to keep that in mind eventually.

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Pupsocket wrote:
Related question: Do you have to be a wizard to scribe spells in a spellbook? I'm looking to abuse Mnemonic Vestments.

Wizard or Magus

Scarab Sages

kinevon wrote:

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It was a PFS question, and the time between adventures is undefined, so that the time constraints do not resally apply in PFS, except if you are doing the scribing while travelling to your destination, with days spent on the move...

Some scenarios or modules would support this, more probably won't, but they all support scribing after you complete the adventure.

So if we have an overnight with a bit of downtime, we can probably exchange scribe 1 or 2 low level spells. But if we wait until after the scenario is over we can exchange any number even if it is a weeks worth of scribbling time. Correct?

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Jorin wrote:
So if we have an overnight with a bit of downtime, we can probably exchange scribe 1 or 2 low level spells. But if we wait until after the scenario is over we can exchange any number even if it is a weeks worth of scribbling time. Correct?

Yes

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one bit of advice from one PFS wizard to another. It helps to have a list of the spells in your book that you can hand to another player, that way it doesn't cut into table time while he reviews your book to see what he can use/wants/doesn't have.

And also stick on a big sticky note - that way, when he returns the spell list to you, he should have noted what he has that you don't - that you can add to your book. Get him to note his PFS character number too, that way you have a recored of who you got the spell from, not that you'll ever need it but it's cute and takes only a few extra seconds). So it goes something like this:

I have a Rogue/Wizard that does this all the time, but I also do it with my other wizards & Alchemists...

sharing spell books:
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me to other player as we are sitting down at the table: "here's my spell book. Look thru and copy what you want. I'd like you to note what you have that I don't on this. Pass it back when your done."
Other player: "HA! like you're going to have something I don't... wait, you've got 5th level spells in your 1st level wiz/6th level rogues book??"
Me: "yeah, I adventure with a lot of wizards. This is my 'Wizard Bait'. Anyway, if you have anything I don't just note it ok?".

Me to the Judge: "If we have time & money before the adventure - we'll copy spells, if not, we'll do it at the end afterword. Is that ok? I'll copy anything he has that I don't."

I've had more than one player say "heck, even if we stop the game now, I've had a GREAT game! I'm a lot poorer - but LOTS of new spells!"

This way it only takes a couple minutes away from the RP of the table, reduces OOC table crosstalk, does the needed bookwork, and (most important) doesn't cut into the DMs time/setup/etc.

It often results in a Wizard player who spends the first 10 minutes of the game with his nose in a spell book - giggling to himself. But I figure this is good role play. Every wizard is a little bit crazy...

another thread that discusses this on the PFS boards is

HERE.

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seebs wrote:
I think you do have to be a wizard, but you can buy a spellbook from a wizard or have a wizard make a spellbook for you.

In PFS you can't do the second part... (you can't "buy a spellbook from a wizard or have a wizard make a spellbook for you"). Outside PFS, you might want to talk to your GM about it, 'cause it sounds cool...

Scarab Sages

Tweedle-Dum wrote:

one bit of advice from one PFS wizard to another. It helps to have a list of the spells in your book that you can hand to another player, that way it doesn't cut into table time while he reviews your book to see what he can use/wants/doesn't have.

And also stick on a big sticky note - that way, when he returns the spell list to you, he should have noted what he has that you don't - that you can add to your book. Get him to note his PFS character number too, that way you have a recored of who you got the spell from, not that you'll ever need it but it's cute and takes only a few extra seconds). ...

Well, this is the first time my magus has encountered another PFS book caster and this is a PbP game. So the book examination time is not a problem.

But it is an excellent idea, I will make a list like that for in the future. Hopefully I will encounter some other book casters eventually.

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