Somewhere I read, yet cannot find it at the moment, that having barkskin active on you allows you to treat your unarmed strikes as magical. How is that possible?
Also.... What if I had some defending gauntlets on. And at the beginning of the round I decided to move all of the enhancement points to my defense.
Would I be able to kick with my feet or whatever and still gain the unarmed strike damage for a monk of that level, and keep the bonus to my ac?
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No to both.
1) barkskin increase your AG^C, nothing more.
2) you need to use a defending weapon to benefit from it.
Defending Weapon Property: Do I have to make attack rolls with the weapon to gain its AC bonus?
Yes. Merely holding a defending weapon is not sufficient. Unless otherwise specified, you have to use a magic item in the manner it is designed (use a weapon to make attacks, wear a shield on your arm so you can defend with it, and so on) to gain its benefits.
Therefore, if you don't make an attack roll with a defending weapon on your turn, you don't gain its defensive benefit.
Likewise, while you can give a shield the defending property (after you've given it a +1 enhancement bonus to attacks, of course), you wouldn't get the AC bonus from the defending property unless you used the shield to make a shield bash that round--unless you're using the shield as a weapon (to make a shield bash), the defending weapon property has no effect.
posted June 2011
It isn't and doesn't.
Gauntlets aren't unarmed strikes. So it doesn't affect them. You need an amulet of mighty fists with defending on it. You must attack with the defending weapon in order to gain the benefit from it (IIRC).
so if you are flurrying, and only one attack comes from the defending weapon, and all others come from elsewhere, you do get the defending benefits?
so if you are flurrying, and only one attack comes from the defending weapon, and all others come from elsewhere, you do get the defending benefits?
Yes.
What if you had multiple weapons with the defending property?
so you are wielding two +5 defending brass knuckles. Can you apply +10 ac to your AC as long as you attack with both of your knuckles once?
What if you had multiple weapons with the defending property?
so you are wielding two +5 defending brass knuckles. Can you apply +10 ac to your AC as long as you attack with both of your knuckles once?
No, it would be the same source (Defending property), and bonuses from the same source don't stack.
U only benefit from the bonus of one of them.
yet the description of the defending weapon states that the bonus from a defending weapon stacks with all others
yet the description of the defending weapon states that the bonus from a defending weapon stacks with all others
"Others" equals other bonuses. Another defending weapon is the same bonus.
okay. Thanks for everyone's input! You all rock!!!
Defending stacks with itself
[qutoe=Pathfinder PRD: Defending]A defending weapon allows the wielder to transfer some or all of the weapon's enhancement bonus to his AC as a bonus that stacks with all others
Also, this is done explicitly in Harold of the Ivory Labyrinth by a Marilith.
Also, this is done explicitly in Harold of the Ivory Labyrinth by a Marilith.Defending stacks with itself
[qutoe=Pathfinder PRD: Defending]A defending weapon allows the wielder to transfer some or all of the weapon's enhancement bonus to his AC as a bonus that stacks with all others
This was discussed in a thread I believe, and the conclusion was that it was an error on the part of the writer who was unaware that they shouldn't stack. However, the scenario is written with the enemy partially depending on the effect to be a viable fight so most people run it as though it works.
However, it still doesn't work by the rules. And defending on a different weapon is still the same source Rikkan. Unless your letting barbarians with two courageous weapons increase the bonus to all morale bonuses (which includes the strength and con bonus from rage) twice?
Please note, no that doesn't work either.
And defending on a different weapon is still the same source Rikkan. Unless your letting barbarians with two courageous weapons increase the bonus to all morale bonuses (which includes the strength and con bonus from rage) twice?
Please note, no that doesn't work either.
The source of the effect is a different weapon. Linguistically, that makes it a different source. Though you could argue they are all from the pathfinder RPG rules, in which case everything is the same source I guess, but I don't think that is intended.
Courageous weapons gives you a morale bonus to fear which does not stack and the 50% bonus increase would stack just fine. If you want to invest a lot of money into having multiple weapons with that bonus, be my guest.
The pathfinder rules are not a source. Things such as feats and weapons can be choices. As an example if something gives an untyped bonus, and I buy the item a 2nd time they will not stack because the same item is providing the untyped bonus. In that way the defending weapon is also the same.
And defending on a different weapon is still the same source Rikkan. Unless your letting barbarians with two courageous weapons increase the bonus to all morale bonuses (which includes the strength and con bonus from rage) twice?
Please note, no that doesn't work either.
The source of the effect is a different weapon. Linguistically, that makes it a different source. Though you could argue they are all from the pathfinder RPG rules, in which case everything is the same source I guess, but I don't think that is intended.
Courageous weapons gives you a morale bonus to fear which does not stack and the 50% bonus increase would stack just fine. If you want to invest a lot of money into having multiple weapons with that bonus, be my guest.
The half weapon enhancement bonus to other morale bonuses doesn't stack. Just like defending doesn't stack. A different weapon doesn't negate the fact that the Courageous or Defending weapon property is the source of the enhancement, and having it on two weapons doesn't allow you to benefit from both. It's still the same source.
The half weapon enhancement bonus to other morale bonuses doesn't stack. Just like defending doesn't stack. A different weapon doesn't negate the fact that the Courageous or Defending weapon property is the source of the enhancement, and having it on two weapons doesn't allow you to benefit from both. It's still the same source.It is not the property that is the source of the benefit, it is the weapon that has that property on it.
Having it on two weapons, means you have two sources supplying that benefit. Since the benefit is untyped, it stacks.
If the property is not the source of the benefit, then the property does nothing and you gain no benefit.
The way you stated is not how it functions, but it is how you appear to want it to function.
The meaning of source when referring to spellbooks is different that the meaning of source when referring to bonuses from abilities. If you cast Ant Haul on a creature twice it doesn't gain 6 times the carrying capacity despite the "sources being two different casting of spells".
We both keep saying the same thing over and over. There is no resolution here. I refuse to argue further. We cannot agree on the definition of the meaning of "source" and so there can be no resolution.
The source of the effect is a different weapon.And defending on a different weapon is still the same source Rikkan. Unless your letting barbarians with two courageous weapons increase the bonus to all morale bonuses (which includes the strength and con bonus from rage) twice?
Please note, no that doesn't work either.
The source is the Defending weapon ability. No matter how many defending weapons you're toting around, you can't stack the defense bonus.
Combining Magic Effects
Spells or magical effects usually work as described, no matter how many other spells or magical effects happen to be operating in the same area or on the same recipient. Except in special cases, a spell does not affect the way another spell operates. Whenever a spell has a specific effect on other spells, the spell description explains that effect. Several other general rules apply when spells or magical effects operate in the same place:
Stacking Effects: Spells that provide bonuses or penalties on attack rolls, damage rolls, saving throws, and other attributes usually do not stack with themselves. More generally, two bonuses of the same type don't stack even if they come from different spells (or from effects other than spells; see Bonus Types, above).
Combining Magic Effects
Spells or magical effects usually work as described, no matter how many other spells or magical effects happen to be operating in the same area or on the same recipient. Except in special cases, a spell does not affect the way another spell operates. Whenever a spell has a specific effect on other spells, the spell description explains that effect. Several other general rules apply when spells or magical effects operate in the same place:
Stacking Effects: Spells that provide bonuses or penalties on attack rolls, damage rolls, saving throws, and other attributes usually do not stack with themselves. More generally, two bonuses of the same type don't stack even if they come from different spells (or from effects other than spells; see Bonus Types, above).
So are you trying to say that you look at the spell in question and see what type of bonus it gives (profane, deflection, dodge,... etc.) And if that type of bonus stacks with others then it stacks?
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The source of the effect is a different weapon. Linguistically, that makes it a different source.
You are very much against the grain here, and pretty much no one writing the books (especially the core design team) will agree with you.
If you line of thinking (which I feel is wrong) is allowed then you can have 20x Orange Ioun Stones would be +20 CL because you say they stack.
The source of the effect is a different weapon. Linguistically, that makes it a different source.You are very much against the grain here, and pretty much no one writing the books (especially the core design team) will agree with you.
If you line of thinking (which I feel is wrong) is allowed then you can have 20x Orange Ioun Stones would be +20 CL because you say they stack.
That is an excellent idea! ;)
So are you trying to say that you look at the spell in question and see what type of bonus it gives (profane, deflection, dodge,... etc.) And if that type of bonus stacks with others then it stacks?Combining Magic Effects
Spells or magical effects usually work as described, no matter how many other spells or magical effects happen to be operating in the same area or on the same recipient. Except in special cases, a spell does not affect the way another spell operates. Whenever a spell has a specific effect on other spells, the spell description explains that effect. Several other general rules apply when spells or magical effects operate in the same place:
Stacking Effects: Spells that provide bonuses or penalties on attack rolls, damage rolls, saving throws, and other attributes usually do not stack with themselves. More generally, two bonuses of the same type don't stack even if they come from different spells (or from effects other than spells; see Bonus Types, above).
Yes. And untyped bonuses always stack, unless they are from the same source. The same spell is the same source, even if untyped.
For example, if you look at Bear's Endurance spell and the Belt of Might Constitution they both add to the character's constitution. Because they are both enhancement bonuses they do not stack. If one was a different type of bonus, they could stack.
So, when you wield two Shields +5 you also get the bonus from one shield only? The source of the bonus is the same spell...
So, when you wield two Shields +5 you also get the bonus from one shield only? The source of the bonus is the same spell...
Yes. If you had 4 Arms and 4 +5 heavy shield, your shield bonus to AC would still be +7
So, when you wield two Shields +5 you also get the bonus from one shield only? The source of the bonus is the same spell...
Bonus in what context? Defensive bonus, assuming you have an ability or feat that lets you retain your shield bonus after doing a shield slam, then yes, you only get a shield bonus to AC once (it has nothing to do with the spell, it is the fact that shield bonuses don't stack).
If you mean for attacking, then each shield gets whatever bonuses it has for when you use that shield to attack.
So, when you wield two Shields +5 you also get the bonus from one shield only? The source of the bonus is the same spell...
Yes, you only get a shield bonus to AC once. You can wield two shields (dual wield shield for attacks), but can choose only one to receive the AC bonus from.
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So, when you wield two Shields +5 you also get the bonus from one shield only? The source of the bonus is the same spell...Yes, you only get a shield bonus to AC once. You can wield two shields (dual wield shield for attacks), but can choose only one to receive the AC bonus from.
He was responding to the "these two things are different sources" despite being the same thing.
He was responding to the "these two things are different sources" despite being the same thing.So, when you wield two Shields +5 you also get the bonus from one shield only? The source of the bonus is the same spell...Yes, you only get a shield bonus to AC once. You can wield two shields (dual wield shield for attacks), but can choose only one to receive the AC bonus from.
Oh, I misunderstood he intent. I took it for genuine inquiry and not as sarcasm. But, now that you mention it I can see that.
That is an excellent idea! ;)It was intended to demonstrate that they don't stack. But such is life.
I realize that. Just trying to be funny.