14.
The highest armour bonus applies. +2 leather provides a +4 armour bonus. Mage armour provides a +4 armour bonus. So in the example it's going to be AC 14 any which way.
If it was +2 padded, providing +3 armour bonus, and Mage armour, it would be 14, since the Mage armour wins out. +2 studded leather (+5 armour bonus) would still provide an AC of 15, since the +5 is higher than the +4 from Mage armour.
Still useful to have since Mage armour provides protection against incorporeal attacks.
(Silly autocorrect capitalising words I don't want.)
I think he meant to say the rogue's Dex mod is 0, not his Dex Score.
And Touch AC in general.
And Touch AC in general.nope. Mage armor doesn't help touch AC.
An armor bonus applies to Armor Class and is granted by armor or by a spell or magical effect that mimics armor. Armor bonuses stack with all other bonuses to Armor Class (even with natural armor bonuses) except other armor bonuses. An armor bonus doesn't apply against touch attacks, except for armor bonuses granted by force effects (such as the mage armor spell) which apply against incorporeal touch attacks, such as that of a shadow.
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And Touch AC in general.nope. Mage armor doesn't help touch AC.An armor bonus applies to Armor Class and is granted by armor or by a spell or magical effect that mimics armor. Armor bonuses stack with all other bonuses to Armor Class (even with natural armor bonuses) except other armor bonuses. An armor bonus doesn't apply against touch attacks, except for armor bonuses granted by force effects (such as the mage armor spell) which apply against incorporeal touch attacks, such as that of a shadow.orly
Incorporeal touch attacks are a small subset of touch attacks. Mage Armor does nothing against the vast majority of touch attacks.
A rogue is wearing leather armor +2. For simplicity we will say rogue's dex is 0, so his ac is 13.
The group wizard casts Mage Armor on the rogue.Does the rogue's ac become 14 or 16?
It is a question of whether or not only the armor bonus is superseded, or the armor bonus and enhancement bonus being superseded by Mage Armor.
14, because it's not an enhancement bonus to AC, it's an enhancement bonus to the leather armor, which now provides a +4 armor bonus.
Incorporeal touch attacks are a small subset of touch attacks. Mage Armor does nothing against the vast majority of touch attacks.And Touch AC in general.nope. Mage armor doesn't help touch AC.An armor bonus applies to Armor Class and is granted by armor or by a spell or magical effect that mimics armor. Armor bonuses stack with all other bonuses to Armor Class (even with natural armor bonuses) except other armor bonuses. An armor bonus doesn't apply against touch attacks, except for armor bonuses granted by force effects (such as the mage armor spell) which apply against incorporeal touch attacks, such as that of a shadow.orly
It says it applies to touch attacks, and goes on to mention a specific kind of touch attacks.
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It says it applies to touch attacks, and goes on to mention a specific kind of touch attacks.Incorporeal touch attacks are a small subset of touch attacks. Mage Armor does nothing against the vast majority of touch attacks.And Touch AC in general.nope. Mage armor doesn't help touch AC.An armor bonus applies to Armor Class and is granted by armor or by a spell or magical effect that mimics armor. Armor bonuses stack with all other bonuses to Armor Class (even with natural armor bonuses) except other armor bonuses. An armor bonus doesn't apply against touch attacks, except for armor bonuses granted by force effects (such as the mage armor spell) which apply against incorporeal touch attacks, such as that of a shadow.orly
No, it say that it work against a specific kind of touch attack, force effects "apply against incorporeal touch attacks". No mention of them working against other kinds of touch attacks.
It can be read both ways.
Depends on whether you read it as "Armor bonuses don't apply to touch AC, except force spells (such as Mage Armor), which apply to touch attacks, including incorporeal touch attacks" (implied "also" before apply), or "Armor bonuses don't apply to touch attacks, except force effects (like Mage Armor), which protect from incorporeal touch attacks but not others". I can see it both ways, but IMO it's worded a bit oddly for the second reading.
Just so I'm clear on this, the Rogue's armor before any casting should be 14 right?
(10 + 2 Leather Armor + 2 Enhancement Bonus + 0 Dex Mod = 14)
Mage Armor is an Armor Bonus and doesn't stack with the Leather Armor's Armor Bonus. But why does the casting of Mage Armor cancel out the +2 Enhancement Bonus if it's a different type of bonus? I'm only aware of different bonuses not stacking (though I fully admit there's plenty of rules and rulings out there that I'm not aware of).
Because the enhancement bonus is not directly added into our AC. It is added to the leather armors armor bonus, making it higher. +2 leather armor does not give a +2 armor bonus and a +2 enhancement bonus to your AC. It gives a +4 armor bonus to your AC. (Likewise, a +1 light shield adds a +2 shield bonus to your AC, not a +1 shield bonus and a +1 enhancement bonus.)
From the section on Armor Class in the Combat chapter:
Enhancement Bonuses: Enhancement bonuses apply to your armor to increase the armor bonus it provides.