Does non-sorcerer Dragon Disciple gain bloodline arcana?

[Kwauss]

If you use another class besides sorcerer to qualify for Dragon Disciple (e.g. Bard), do you gain the bloodline arcana of your dragon type? Or is that not considered part of the package of bloodline powers? I believe it's separate.

Does cross-blooded with dragon as one of the two bloodlines(or wildblooded with Linnorm, for instance) meet the requirements of DD? I think they should be allowed as they're archetypes. Is there a resolution on the bloodline abilities gained?

[RJGrady]

Kwauss wrote:

If you use another class besides sorcerer to qualify for Dragon Disciple (e.g. Bard), do you gain the bloodline arcana of your dragon type? Or is that not considered part of the package of bloodline powers? I believe it's separate.

I thought this would be an easy one but it's not:

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Blood of Dragons: A dragon disciple adds his level to his sorcerer levels when determining the powers gained from his bloodline. If the dragon disciple does not have levels of sorcerer, he instead gains bloodline powers of the draconic bloodline, using his dragon disciple level as his sorcerer level to determine the bonuses gained. He must choose a dragon type upon gaining his first level in this class and that type must be the same as his sorcerer type. This ability does not grant bonus spells to a sorcerer unless he possesses spell slots of an appropriate level. Such bonus spells are automatically granted if the sorcerer gains spell slots of the spell's level.

It calls out bloodline powers specifically, and it calls out bonus spells by implication. Bloodline feats are not mentioned in this section and are handled differently by the class.

I'm going with, "No, you don't get the arcana. It means bloodline powers literally, and it also tells you that you get get bonus spells if you have the appropriate slots."

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Does cross-blooded with dragon as one of the two bloodlines(or wildblooded with Linnorm, for instance) meet the requirements of DD? I think they should be allowed as they're archetypes. Is there a resolution on the bloodline abilities gained?

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If the character has sorcerer levels, he must have the draconic bloodline.

Cross-blooded, sure; a draconic/elemental fire cross-blooded does "have the draconic bloodline." Further, he gets all the advances to the "bloodline powers" (as noted above) that anyone gets, though it benefits more than one bloodline (how would you even advance those separately?).

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A wildblooded sorcerer has a mutated version of a more common bloodline, with one arcana and at least one bloodline power that are different from those of an unmutated bloodline. When creating a wildblooded sorcerer, select an existing bloodline, then select one of the following mutated bloodlines associated with that bloodline.

Looks like you're in! Congratulations.

Wildblooded is an unusual "archetype" in that it doesn't substitute for any class features. It's really a set of alternate bloodlines that are unusual only in being variants of existing ones.

[Kwauss]

Thanks, but does a bard gain the bonus spells, or only a sorcerer based on how its worded?

[PokeyCA]

Kwauss wrote:

Thanks, but does a bard gain the bonus spells, or only a sorcerer based on how its worded?

Only a sorcerer, since the bard doesn't have any sorcerer spell slots.

[Bahamutkotd]

I know this is a huge necro bump. But a kobold/racial heritage (kobold) using scaled disciple and a spontanious divine caster would also not get the arcana or the bonus spells.... correct?

[Chess Pwn]

correct

[Xethik]

Scaled Disciple specifically says

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Add the bonus spells gained from the blood of dragons ability to those you can cast as divine spells.

So you gain the spells but not the bloodline.

[Bahamutkotd]

Xethik wrote:

Scaled Disciple specifically says

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Add the bonus spells gained from the blood of dragons ability to those you can cast as divine spells.
So you gain the spells but not the bloodline.

I assume you ment the arcana.... I've thought about dipping a level of sorc to get the arcana and qualify for sorcerous bloodstrike.... but It seems like it would just hijack the whole concept and invalidate the feat.

[kestral287]

Unless you're a dedicated blaster, the arcana isn't great anyway.

[LazarX]

Kwauss wrote:

Thanks, but does a bard gain the bonus spells, or only a sorcerer based on how its worded?

The bard gets ONLY the bloodline powers, not the bonus spells, not the arcana. And he gets them as a sorcerer of the dragon disciple level, not bard PLUS DD. So the most he can get are the bloodline powers of a 10th level sorcerer if he takes all 10 levels of the PrC. At the cost of not advancing his bardic abilities.

[Xethik]

Correct, I meant to type bloodline arcana. You gain the bonus spells but not the arcana.

And LazarX, there are the Robes of Arcane Heritage (and probably other similar items/feats) to get that a little bit higher, but not by much.

[Bahamutkotd]

the arcane robes allow for +4 levels of bloodline ablities, so a sorcerer dip after or before would allow for the wings. But the spells are listed in Scaled disciple. I was hoping to get the arcana but my wisdom is low and the character isn't really blasty so buff spells and clawing the crap out of people will be the way to go.