Accelerated drinker + Prehensile Tail (non-extract question)


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I have a tiefling drunken barbarian/alchemist with prehensile tail and the accelerated drinker trait (Drink a potion as a move action if you start the turn with it in your hand.) The tail allows me to use it to retreive small, stowed objects carried on their person as a swift action.

I know trait and alternative race trait do not work on extracts or mutages but my question only relates to potions and little bottles of liquor (Im a drunken barbarian after all). If I use my tail as a swift action to retrieve a potion before doing any other action can I then use accelerated drinker trait to drink potion as a move action? (Does the use of a swift action negate the ability to use accelerated drinker trait as a move?)


Duncan7291 wrote:

I have a tiefling drunken barbarian/alchemist with prehensile tail and the accelerated drinker trait (Drink a potion as a move action if you start the turn with it in your hand.) The tail allows me to use it to retreive small, stowed objects carried on their person as a swift action.

I know trait and alternative race trait do not work on extracts or mutages but my question only relates to potions and little bottles of liquor (Im a drunken barbarian after all). If I use my tail as a swift action to retrieve a potion before doing any other action can I then use accelerated drinker trait to drink potion as a move action? (Does the use of a swift action negate the ability to use accelerated drinker trait as a move?)

Did you start your turn with the potion in your hand? Alas, no. you started your turn with the potion stashed someplace.

Some GMs wouldn't let you drink it even if you were holding it in your tail at the start of your turn. Technically, the tail is not the hand and therefore the feat doesn't apply. I'd be a bit more lenient as a GM in this regard than some others. Expect table variation.


Accelerated Drinker wrote:

Benefit: You may drink a potion as a move action instead of a standard action as long as you start your turn with the potion in your hand.

Prehensile Tail wrote:

While they cannot wield weapons with their tails, they can use them to retrieve small, stowed objects carried on their persons as a swift action.

Technically, RAW, Accelerated Drinker says it must be in your hand. However, I think the intention is for an item held by a prehensile tail to qualify as being held by a hand. I think the intention is for these to work together. Yes, you should be able to retrieve the potion as a swift action and then drink the potion as a move action.


What kind of action would it be to move the stored item from your tail to your hand? Im trying to maximize my move economy.


Duncan7291 wrote:
What kind of action would it be to move the stored item from your tail to your hand? Im trying to maximize my move economy.

My interpretation is that it should be free (or part of the swift action of getting the item) to move an item from tail to hand as long as the hand is empty. There may be a rule clarification that I've not seen somewhere though.


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Duncan7291 wrote:
What kind of action would it be to move the stored item from your tail to your hand? Im trying to maximize my move economy.

This was a topic of lengthy debate. The only logical answer (in my opinion) is derived from a process of elimination.

Standard action? No. The tail would be a disability rather than a helpful thing.

Move action? No. You might as well retrieve it from being stashed.

Swift action? No. Not even a teifling deity can get an item from their tail in the same action they retrieve it from being stashed.

Free action? Yes. It's the only action type left.


Rory has it right on. you can't use Accelerated Drinker, since you still needed a swift action to retrieve the bottle at the beginning of the turn. even though it's a swift action, it still happens after the start of your turn. if you had an ability that let you retrieve it as an immediate action outside of your turn, that would be different.

as far as the tail/hand difference, i think most GM's would agree that the intent is the same as holding the item in your hand (it would be a free action to shift an item from hand to hand), but you may encounter some variance.


From Paizo.com's Combat page, "In a normal round, you can perform a standard action and a move action, or you can perform a full-round action. You can also perform one swift action and one or more free actions. You can always take a move action in place of a standard action."

Round 1: Move into range and get off one attack. Use swift action and free action to grab liquor stored on body and move to hand.

Round 2: Rage, full attack. Swift action and free action to grab liquor bottle and move to hand.

Round 3: Drink liquor and continue rage, standard attack. Swift action and free to grab another bottle and move to hand.

Round 4: repeat or alternate in rounds where do not move potion to hand and drink and then use full attack (effectively extending my rage while giving me full attack rounds every other round)

Thoughts?


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@Rory Could it not be an action at all?

"Not an Action: Some activities are so minor that they are not even considered free actions. They literally don't take any time at all to do and are considered an inherent part of doing something else, such as nocking an arrow as part of an attack with a bow."

I could make an argument that nocking an arrow in a bow would be a similar about of activity as transfering an item from one hand to another (or tail to hand) as to not be an action at all.


Duncan7291 wrote:

Round 2: Rage, full attack. Swift action and free action to grab liquor bottle and move to hand.

This works well if you are using a one handed weapon (even if you grab it with two hands after drinking). If you are using it with a two handed weapon, you would effectively not be holding your weapon to threaten while the liquor bottle is in your hand.

So, keep it grasped by your tail until you are ready to move action quaff it.


Duncan7291 wrote:

@Rory Could it not be an action at all?

Swapping an item from hand to hand is a free action, so that'd be my minimum for swapping it from tail to hand.


My drunken barbarian uses natural attacks: gore/bite/claw/claw. (if that modifies anything)

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